Everyone here is OK except Gabbers - who love with unrequited passion as a duty to the rest if the world. 5 pints on who works now.
On 23 Jan, 17:24, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 23 Jan, 17:15, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > More than my belief is deeply rooted. > > LOL!! I suppose that makes me (even more) a bit of a sap. > > > On 23 Jan., 18:02, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 23 Jan, 16:57, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Wrong, Pat. Truth is, my little green egos out there don't give a damn > > > > about your human conditionedness. > > > > I agree that they wouldn't care about the concept of 'a habit', it's > > > what THAT habit entails that might upset them. Then, of course (in a > > > fit of vegi-anthropomorphism), they might get jealous of those species > > > honoured by our desire to inhale them. > > > > > On 23 Jan., 14:44, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 23 Jan, 12:43, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > What HAD you been smoking at the time, Pat? :-) > > > > > > Oh Dear! If anything, it would be wise not to discuss it with the > > > > > prospective veg-friend, as it could have been the remains of a > > > > > cousin. ;-) I would think plants would view human's smoking habits > > > > > to be a form of unnecessary vegicide (vegislaughter?). > > > > > > > On 23 Jan., 13:22, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 23 Jan, 11:39, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Some of my best friends are animals Lee! Especially when well > > > > > > > > duped > > > > > > > > on a Friday night. > > > > > > > > I'd have thought ALL of your friends, best or not, are animals. > > > > > > > Although I have spoken to a few plants in my time, I never struck > > > > > > > up a > > > > > > > friendship. I suppose, not wanting to be seen to be 'vegist', > > > > > > > that it > > > > > > > wasn't that the plant was unfriendly, but that I, obviously, > > > > > > > wasn't > > > > > > > able to properly sense all the plant hormones that they use to > > > > > > > communicate. ;-) > > > > > > > > > On 23 Jan, 11:06, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Heh I'm not dupeist! Some of my best freinds are dupes! Now > > > > > > > > > why does > > > > > > > > > that sound familier? > > > > > > > > > > On 21 Jan, 12:53, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all! In fact, some of my my best friends are > > > > > > > > > > dupes... ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Kierkecraig > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>Date:Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:05:08 > > > > > > > > > > -0800 (PST)Local:Wed 21 Jan 2009 02:05Subject:[Mind's Eye] > > > > > > > > > > Re: proof of god > > > > > > > > > > > Even if theists are dupes, does that preclude atheists from > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > dupes? > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 20, 1:43 pm, "Chris Jenkins" > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > By measuring the selfish as individuals, and by measuring > > > > > > > > > > > the relative > > > > > > > > > > > selfish as "Quality of Life" as members of a society. > > > > > > > > > > > This is why you are a Law guy and not a sociologist. ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > However, that's entirely a different question from > > > > > > > > > > > whether or not theists > > > > > > > > > > > are dupes. That's a question for the philosophers. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Kierkecraig > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 20, 12:41 am, manfraco FranktheElder > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Neil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you can say that it is a matter of morality; but > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is also of > > > > > > > > > > > > > guidance, because religion guides most of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfortunate people who > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not been educated and some of them are not able > > > > > > > > > > > > > to think clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > for themselves, so religion gives them some ideas how > > > > > > > > > > > > > to live. > > > > > > > > > > > > > And exactly what standard to atheists use in knowing > > > > > > > > > > > > how to live? > > > > > > > > > > > > What experience have they received from the external > > > > > > > > > > > > world that would > > > > > > > > > > > > tell them how to live? Are theists they only dupes on > > > > > > > > > > > > the block? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I have said in my last post may seem perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaggerated today, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and perhaps, I have gone forward too far and too fast > > > > > > > > > > > > > in saying what I > > > > > > > > > > > > > have said, so, it might seem to you a bit out of > > > > > > > > > > > > > touch with realities; > > > > > > > > > > > > > but this theory of mine is how it very well might > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know really what to think when this entire > > > > > > > > > > > > > staff comes from > > > > > > > > > > > > > you educated people of this world who have so much > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge and you > > > > > > > > > > > > > are able to express yourself so well as fast as > > > > > > > > > > > > > lightning and I salute > > > > > > > > > > > > > you for that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But may I say this; please don't continue to put too > > > > > > > > > > > > > much pressure on > > > > > > > > > > > > > the believers of God about their beliefs, and above > > > > > > > > > > > > > all about > > > > > > > > > > > > > providing proof of the existence of God, since this > > > > > > > > > > > > > proof is very hard > > > > > > > > > > > > > to find for anybody, and even harder for them because > > > > > > > > > > > > > a large number > > > > > > > > > > > > > of them are not as lucky and educated as you are. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I presume your being a bit sarcastic here, but still, I > > > > > > > > > > > > will respond > > > > > > > > > > > > as if not. I only point out that you are assuming that > > > > > > > > > > > > religion is > > > > > > > > > > > > teaching something to the dupes that would be good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you really > > > > > > > > > > > > speak in such generalities? Wouldn't we have to judge > > > > > > > > > > > > each religion > > > > > > > > > > > > on its own merits? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, may I suggest that you save some of your energy > > > > > > > > > > > > > in asking for > > > > > > > > > > > > > proof of the existence of God and search for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence of God by > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself, as you are in a better position to > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the complexity > > > > > > > > > > > > > of these things? > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may start with believing in God yourself, as this > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the only way > > > > > > > > > > > > > to find him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You see it is like when you want to login or sign in > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the Internet > > > > > > > > > > > > > and you don't know the username and password > > > > > > > > > > > > > therefore you will never > > > > > > > > > > > > > be able to find what you want. So, in a parallel way > > > > > > > > > > > > > you will never be > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to find God and the proof of its existence > > > > > > > > > > > > > unless you believe in > > > > > > > > > > > > > God first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manfraco. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 1:16 am, archytas <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can have cake and not eat it Manfraco. I think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we may have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems with proof rather than God/s. Most of us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't travel the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe much, but tend to believe the magicians > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who tell us their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theories indicate a very big one, or several - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps because they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give us trinkets like radios and televisions as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > colonists once traded > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beads and hair grips for women and gold. I deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suspect "science" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is part of the same kind of power relation as many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These arguments are bedevilled with thoughts on one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side that one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be moral without a religion and people like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me who wonder how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can have a morality based on daft stories. We > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could all eat rice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the same bowl peacefully if we worked out the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 18 Jan, 05:31, manfraco FranktheElder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings to all those that follow Minds Eye > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to have my say in this post and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state what I believe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about God; my point of view about this post is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that both sides stick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to their existing views, perhaps this is done > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just for argument sake, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so that they keep arguing and enjoy themselves in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, have they ever thought that there might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really be a God? And if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a god what is this god like? Is this god > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like the Abraham > > > > > > > > > > > > god > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Bible? Or, could it be that there is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different god > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have thought a lot about this matter and at the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moment I have come > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to this conclusion; whish is that there is a god > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the universe and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one day I am going to write about my new found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beliefs about this > > > > > > > > > > > > god; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is when my beliefs become more defined and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is easier for me > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > write them down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But now I want just to describe this god in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shortest way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe that God is life and life is God itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore one can not exist without the other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if there wasn't a God we would not exist or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greeting to you all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 18, 12:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are beginning to cross threads here and I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would rather discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > within the intended thread. 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