Obama has already repealed some Bush religious idiocy. {What has
happened to the e in religious back there?} If he isn't genuinely
religionous (sounds like poisonous so no typo), then he is very
manipulative. The moral questions that underlie such manipulations
are complex and we should not forget that the myths of origin in all
societies are a lie, and that even to consider big bang as origin is a
mistake born from the very notion of "origin". I hope Obama is an
atheist using religious crud. Not sure about Chaz's negative field -
I'm sure it bites, but so does my pussycat.
On 24 Jan, 00:35, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> The invocation was not a religious imposition on the peoples
> government and has not influence whatsoever on governmental function.
> Your outlook is skewed.
>
> If anything GW's stance on certain issues was a violation of the
> separation of church and state, which I had presented many a post to
> demonstrate my position, which stands against it.
>
> I'm not a stranger to your anti american posts and in fact I find most
> of your output an exercise in negativity, which is probably a
> reflection of the negativity that surrounds your persona.
>
> Now you are thinking, look who is judging, but the fact is your posts
> easily reveal that which is readily apparent. I'm just identifying
> that which already exists.
>
> On Jan 23, 5:58 pm, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 23, 9:45 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > It may have been immensely preferable for you, gruff, but a non
> > > religious ceremony would have sent a stark message which essentially
> > > would have been the wrong message.
>
> > Perhaps you had not read the foregoing statements. Often it is
> > painfully necessary to remind Americans of their own constitution
> > which is supposed to guarantee a strict separation of church and
> > state.
>
> > The ceremony was just another in a
>
> > > long line of presidential ceremonies. The right thing to do in this
> > > climate of chaos is not to throw a wrench into the workings but to
> > > give people the sense that things are relatively calm. Radical
> > > changes may take place in the future but to use a inaugural ceremony
> > > to make a statement seems to me, bad timing. That segment of the
> > > ceremony was so insignificant and probably forgotten 10 minutes later
> > > by the majority of people. It is no longer a news tidbit in the least
> > > sense and I think it's a dead issue. I started a thread awhile back
> > > about the Warren pick for invocation in which chaz responded with: "I
> > > agree and I would not give it a single thought. Personally I doubt
> > > that a man of his intelligence give much thought to god except as a
> > > vehicle for political credibility. I would not be surprised if he is
> > > an atheist." Therefore I would agree with chaz that the choice is not
> > > indicative of Obama's personal views but more so, as politicians go,
> > > indicative of his ability to perform as a top notch politician, none
> > > of which I personally have any use for. Plus I say that Obama must,
> > > in every sense of the word, apply serious discernment in every
> > > decision, as it is at this point in history always going to be a
> > > critical decision. People respond from their own personal stance.
> > > First there were the squawking gay proponents and now it's the
> > > squawking atheists. In this type of political arena there will always
> > > be some group that will squawk, no matter what the decisions are. As
> > > it has been said "you can please some of the people some of the time
> > > but you can't please all of the people all of the time". I hope you
> > > are pleased with my post, at least some of it, lol.
>
> > Would that you were not Squawking quite so much, otherwise fine.
>
> > > On Jan 23, 2:10 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > "... On Jan 23, 10:53 am, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: ..."
>
> > > > > Apparently the particular choice of the "invocator" was controversial,
> > > > > him being some kind of born-again type. With 20,000 Christian sects
> > > > > across the world, as well as other religions, any choice must alienate
> > > > > the majority in some way.This make my point well that to have had a
> > > > > non religious ceremony would have been preferable.
>
> > > > Without doubt a non-religious ceremony would have been immensely
> > > > preferable but Obama was reaching out to that mass of religious
> > > > ideologues who supported Bush -- there were quite a few of them. I
> > > > recall one of my favorite headlines in 2004 which came from a Kingdom
> > > > newsrag -- The Daily Mirror -- on November 2, 2004: "How can
> > > > 59,084,087 people be so stupid?"
>
> > > > I'm hoping November 4, 2008, elicited a much better headline.
>
> > > > /e
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