1987's use of Churchillian glibness is more or less right. Yet capitalism needs critique and somehow we need to have genuine competitiveness that keeps competitions alive and well, rather than leaving only the winner with all. I played in a game against Doncaster Rovers towards the end of their spectacular run of 157 defeats and for a cricket team who were the rubbing rags of the competition for many years until we won it. I agree with Francis (and I think Gabby if I have the enigma at all) that ethics is key. My own view is that capitalism lies too often and is based on this lying. When something is the only game in town one usually finds legs have been broken to establish this - at some level worse than having to break eggs to scramble them. In short I sense that much we should do for ourselves gets taken away from us in order for capitalist mechanisms to make profit and the expense of individual well-being and communicative action. Peter is robbed to make an obscenely wealthy Paul. We need some kind of "fresh start" - but this clearly cannot be some repeat of docile body creating experiments that have already failed (hence we need a proper understanding of Sino-Soviet experimentation - not glib commie bashing). Too many profess beliefs in markets without knowing how markets work and who really benefits from them. We need to be able to make real choices, yet are often offered highly expensive rot as the products we need advertising to make us want and so on. I have the choice not to fancy women covered in smelly and oily products they have come to relish and believe make them attractive and, of course, the choice not to live in such a manner that I regard women as to be chosen by the likes of me! I want a world of less forced choice, not to have to play the games on offer and not to live in a world of keeping up with the Jones' and ahead in the arm's race. I tend to a belief that our knowledges and technologies can now provide plenty and that "capitalism" is an archaic "undead" parasitic on a system we could now structure better. None of this entails Marxism or anything else other than in understanding such mistakes and being prepared not to be simple believers of propaganda.
On 29 Jan, 22:47, student1987 <[email protected]> wrote: > I believe that Winston Churchill put it best when he said that > Capitalism is the worst form of government... except for all the rest. > There are many errors with capitalism, but it is the best of the > worst. > > On Jan 19, 11:16 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I've always had trouble with "capitalism" - the word hardly appears in > > Marx and I've never seen any satisfactory definitions of it as a > > phenomena. I have long thought we have an entirely stupid, sick way > > of doing business with each other, and that one could really only > > guess this was more sick in countries without democracy and lead by > > crazies and beaten with the hammer of state capitalism. > > I've always had trouble with "management". Essentially, one had to > > wonder how these not very bright people make themselves so valuable. > > I suspect they are thieves. The Guardian is running a string of > > conferences on why no one saw the current mess coming (not true - some > > of us did), ending with questions about the corruption of character > > underlying the mess. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
