The gavel slams down on the bench, "a orta in the Court"!
On Feb 9, 11:24 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 9 Feb, 16:50, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > Have a Heart, Pat! Literally! lol
>
> literally...hypothetically, sure! ;-)
>
> > On Feb 9, 9:07 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > On 7 Feb, 21:24, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > Very good MB, institutionalized killing.
>
> > > > Soylent green anyone?
>
> > > > I concur and reiterate my earlier point; there is more to all these
> > > > little case scenarios that you (pavan) present.
>
> > > > My only dilemma basically lies in the questionable aspect of "who are
> > > > we saving" and will the people we save become the instruments of our
> > > > own demise.
>
> > > > As you say, diverse hypotheticals bring about moral variations,
> > > > societal and subjective.
>
> > > And then there's always people out there like me who have no problem
> > > at all with harvesting hypothetical organs from hypothetical people
> > > even WITHOUT their approval. Hell, if you can't take advantage of
> > > people when they're hypothetical, you're only left with taking
> > > advantage of the real ones and THAT'D be a question for someone's
> > > morals. ;-) Much of the time, hypothetical cases don't have enough
> > > detail to TRULY test an individual's decision making abilities, much
> > > less, their moral prerogatives WITHIN that decision-making process.
> > > For example, in the hostages scenario, it has this kidnapper giving
> > > you a gun in order to kill one hostage to save the others. First, the
> > > kidnapper is an idiot if he gives you a gun and an even WORSE idiot if
> > > he doesn't think HE'S NOT going to be the one I shoot (thus saving
> > > ALL). Go ahead and kill Bill the lonely, unloved hypothetical, but
> > > making him into Soylent Green would probably be a better way to go for
> > > a hypothetical (that is, if REAL people can be kept alive by
> > > harvesting the hypothetical people and turning them into Soylent
> > > Green). The two scenarios (killing a healthy unloved man with no
> > > family and killing a healthy, possibly loved (maybe family) man in
> > > order to save 5 others), though, is unfair as the man in the hostage
> > > scenario already HAS a gun to his head WITHIN the hypothetical
> > > scenario (which is, cleverly, not REALLY brought up). Not that I
> > > think Pavan was trying to lead us (in ANY direction), rather, that
> > > it's really, bloody difficult to pose good hypothetical examples.
>
> > > > On Feb 7, 2:30 am, Michael Berkovits <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > Different moral schemas are activated in different hypotheticals.
> > > > > Extreme measures are appropriate in what feel like "extreme"
> > > > > circumstances (kidnappers on an island; killer trolley), but not in
> > > > > normal circumstances. The killing Bill hypothetical occurs in a
> > > > > situation that is applicable every moment of every day. We can always
> > > > > kill someone for his organs and save other people. But if that were
> > > > > our everyday morality, there'd be a lot of institutionalized killing
> > > > > of innocents. I think the point here is that "everyday" morality
> > > > > differs from "extreme situation" morality.
>
> > > > > On Feb 7, 3:24 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > Sorry, I missed the word " not."
>
> > > > > > The line must read : In your other instances, the likely victims do
> > > > > > not have that.
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> > > > > > On Feb 7, 11:21 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > Does Bill have a voice in the decision, Pavan ?
>
> > > > > > > In your other instances, the likely victims do have that.
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> > > > > > > On Feb 7, 9:25 am, Pavan Kolachoor <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > This is a famous philosophical question posted by
> > > > > > > > BBC.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7739493.stm
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> > > > > > > > I never got an opportunity to discuss this with anybody, your
> > > > > > > > thoughts
> > > > > > > > please.
>
> > > > > > > > *1. SHOULD WE KILL HEALTHY PEOPLE FOR THEIR ORGANS?*
>
> > > > > > > > Suppose Bill is a healthy man without family or loved ones.
> > > > > > > > Would it be ok
> > > > > > > > painlessly to kill him if his organs would save five people,
> > > > > > > > one of whom
> > > > > > > > needs a heart, another a kidney, and so on? If not, why not?
>
> > > > > > > > Consider another case: you and six others are kidnapped, and
> > > > > > > > the kidnapper
> > > > > > > > somehow persuades you that if you shoot dead one of the other
> > > > > > > > hostages, he
> > > > > > > > will set the remaining five free, whereas if you do not, he
> > > > > > > > will shoot all
> > > > > > > > six. (Either way, he'll release you.)
>
> > > > > > > > If in this case you should kill one to save five, why not in
> > > > > > > > the previous,
> > > > > > > > organs case? If in this case too you have qualms, consider yet
> > > > > > > > another:
> > > > > > > > you're in the cab of a runaway tram and see five people tied to
> > > > > > > > the track
> > > > > > > > ahead. You have the option of sending the tram on to the track
> > > > > > > > forking off
> > > > > > > > to the left, on which only one person is tied. Surely you
> > > > > > > > should send the
> > > > > > > > tram left, killing one to save five.
>
> > > > > > > > But then why not kill Bill?
>
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> > > > > > > > Regards,
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