I am ever so grateful, His Clearness. ;-)
On 10 Mrz., 20:51, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> "May you, in your almighty wisdom, allow me to think of soul as a
> concept, please?" - gabbers
>
> Ha Ha! You can think anything you want to gabby!....this much is
> abundantly clear. : - )
>
> On Mar 10, 3:19 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > May you, in your almighty wisdom, allow me to think of soul as a
> > concept, please?
>
> > On 9 Mrz., 22:58, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Yet again, beliefs, feelings nor concepts have anything at all to do
> > > with soul. Nothing.
>
> > > On Mar 9, 8:11 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Just to make sure I get your soul concept right, Pat, how would you
> > > > describe the difference between a ghost story and a fairy tale?
>
> > > > On 9 Mrz., 14:00, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > On 6 Mar, 18:54, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Speaking purely theoretically - I accept Orn's point completely,
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > discussions about reincarnation are pure theory - I don't see the
> > > > > > problem. If there is a soul (theoretically speaking, since I have no
> > > > > > idea what a soul IS), upon disincarnation it (presumably) leaves
> > > > > > space-
> > > > > > time. That's space-TIME. So, theoretically, there's no reason not to
> > > > > > assume that a soul experiencing disincarnation in 2009 might not be
> > > > > > reincarnated in 1909. Wow, I could even be Albert Einstein in my
> > > > > > next
> > > > > > life. Or Helen of Troy. Or my own grand-dad.
>
> > > > > If the soul/spirit is a coherent field of energy, then it must,
> > > > > somehow, retain coherence. It could only do that given space and
> > > > > time. That is, there is no 'coherence' outside of time (or space).
> > > > > Ghosts, if disincarnate souls, would stand as evidence that spacetime
> > > > > is STILL a factor after disincarnation.
>
> > > > > > Personally, I have never found speculation about reincarnation
> > > > > > particularly useful for living in the here-and-now.
>
> > > > > > Francis
>
> > > > > > On 6 Mrz., 16:36, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > As to theory when it comes to things like
> > > > > > > reincarnation....theories
> > > > > > > are like comic books. Entertaining, and keep one distracted.
> > > > > > > As to proof...the only proof would be if one remembers
> > > > > > > experiencing
> > > > > > > it. I have nothing against those who make such a claim.
>
> > > > > > > On Mar 6, 4:32 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On 4 Mar, 16:04, Michael Berkovits <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > This may be a silly question that has already been answered
> > > > > > > > > by those
> > > > > > > > > who posit reincarnation, or you may have an answer, Slip.
>
> > > > > > > > > But it just occurred to me that the world population keeps
> > > > > > > > > growing,
> > > > > > > > > over time. So let's begin to flesh out the mechanics of
> > > > > > > > > reincarnation
> > > > > > > > > theory. Since the world population keeps growing, new souls
> > > > > > > > > must be
> > > > > > > > > coming into being (on the starting premise that souls exist,
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > course). What is your belief as to whether all souls
> > > > > > > > > reincarnate? Is
> > > > > > > > > it that, each year, of the 300 million people who die (I'm
> > > > > > > > > guessing
> > > > > > > > > here, not bothering to look up how many people actually die
> > > > > > > > > each
> > > > > > > > > year), those 300 million souls immediately reincarnate? Is
> > > > > > > > > there some
> > > > > > > > > lag time? Given that the world population grows by, say, 200
> > > > > > > > > million
> > > > > > > > > a year, does this mean that 200 million entirely new,
> > > > > > > > > non-reincarnated
> > > > > > > > > souls are generated each year?
>
> > > > > > > > > More importantly, when a new baby is born, how is it decided
> > > > > > > > > whether
> > > > > > > > > that new baby gets a reincarnated soul, or an entirely new
> > > > > > > > > soul?
>
> > > > > > > > > The basic premise of my e-mail is that the number of people
> > > > > > > > > dying
> > > > > > > > > falls short of the number of people being born, so not every
> > > > > > > > > new birth
> > > > > > > > > can have a reincarnated soul. How does reincarnation theory
> > > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > about this?
>
> > > > > > > > Firstly, whose theory? There are theories that don't limit
> > > > > > > > reincarnation to only human form. If you count ALL the
> > > > > > > > lifeforms in
> > > > > > > > existence (and, not just Earthbound ones), THEN you'll see how
> > > > > > > > full
> > > > > > > > the pool of souls, as it were, is. Whilst I take your point,
> > > > > > > > an Earth-
> > > > > > > > limited view must be thrown out. Odds are that there's a huge
> > > > > > > > whopping amount of life out there that could re-incarnate (or
> > > > > > > > re-
> > > > > > > > invegetate, for that matter!).
> > > > > > > > Although there IS the Jewish view of 'The Guph', or 'Hall of
> > > > > > > > Souls'
> > > > > > > > where souls wait for (re-)incarnation. There is also a belief
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > the Guph can be emptied and soulless individuals born. This is
> > > > > > > > explored in the Juergen Prochnow/Demi Moore film "The Seventh
> > > > > > > > Sign" (Great film!).
>
> > > > > > > > > On Mar 3, 10:51 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Slip, can you clarify what you mean by saying "Thought,
> > > > > > > > > > > as I see it, is not physical or tangible<<<<<MB
>
> > > > > > > > > > Simply for me thought is not something that you can put in
> > > > > > > > > > a box and
> > > > > > > > > > ship out or place in a zip lock bag for storage. I feel
> > > > > > > > > > thought and
> > > > > > > > > > imagination are homologous but not identical in that
> > > > > > > > > > thought itself
> > > > > > > > > > may be considered more of a process, which imagination uses
> > > > > > > > > > to create
> > > > > > > > > > ideas, concepts, theories etc.
>
> > > > > > > > > > though it is the subject of multiple scientific
> > > > > > > > > > experiments." ?<<<MB
>
> > > > > > > > > > I may have hastened to use the expression scientific
> > > > > > > > > > experiments, no
> > > > > > > > > > intended reference to "thought experiments", but more so
> > > > > > > > > > leaning
> > > > > > > > > > towards the nature of thought, it's use as in telekinesis,
> > > > > > > > > > telepathy,
> > > > > > > > > > clairvoyance, the overall power of thinking, and the law of
> > > > > > > > > > attraction, much of which admittedly, is speculative and/or
> > > > > > > > > > hypothetical.
> > > > > > > > > > Discovering the physical nature of thought is aside from
> > > > > > > > > > what I am
> > > > > > > > > > projecting because once thought takes place it becomes
> > > > > > > > > > independent of
> > > > > > > > > > it's originating source as does the light emanating from a
> > > > > > > > > > dead star.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > As I understand you, you posed that perspective in
> > > > > > > > > > > opposition to the
> > > > > > > > > > > contention that "all thought
> > > > > > > > > > > and consciousness dies with the death of the physical
> > > > > > > > > > > mind." Are you
> > > > > > > > > > > arguing that when a person is alive, his thoughts are
> > > > > > > > > > > extra-physical,
> > > > > > > > > > > or are you also arguing that consciousness / soul
> > > > > > > > > > > survives death?<<<MB
>
> > > > > > > > > > I'm not arguing as much as I am suggesting that thoughts
> > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > > > > confined to our physical being. As I posted early on, we
> > > > > > > > > > do see light
> > > > > > > > > > from stars that are physically non existent. I believe
> > > > > > > > > > thoughts,
> > > > > > > > > > imaginations and subconscious manifestations do continue to
> > > > > > > > > > exist
> > > > > > > > > > beyond the physical demise. I feel very strongly that the
> > > > > > > > > > soul
> > > > > > > > > > survives physical death and also retains life experiences.
> > > > > > > > > > I believe
> > > > > > > > > > that some people have lived past lives but not all, as some
> > > > > > > > > > people are
> > > > > > > > > > Old Souls, ie: child prodigies, brilliant scientists etc.,
> > > > > > > > > > while
> > > > > > > > > > others are New Souls ie: idiots without a clue who are
> > > > > > > > > > easily
> > > > > > > > > > identifiable. I would not consider reincarnation in the
> > > > > > > > > > sense that
> > > > > > > > > > our soul returns in the form of a different species but
> > > > > > > > > > contend the
> > > > > > > > > > soul returns as another human being. A human soul does not
> > > > > > > > > > return as
> > > > > > > > > > a cow in my opinion. I think we retain life experiences
> > > > > > > > > > within our
> > > > > > > > > > soul and believe that life might be occurring
> > > > > > > > > > simultaneously within a
> > > > > > > > > > parallel universe and further that there is a level at
> > > > > > > > > > which time is
> > > > > > > > > > of no consequence.
> > > > > > > > > > Belief in certain aspects of death may give credence to
> > > > > > > > > > what some know
> > > > > > > > > > as Heaven and the Immortality of the soul. For atheists,
> > > > > > > > > > pantheists,
> > > > > > > > > > materialists and rationalists there would be no question and
> > > > > > > > > > conversation of such idea would be moot. So what meaning
> > > > > > > > > > does death
> > > > > > > > > > have to us as we are living? Perhaps it is a reminder that
> > > > > > > > > > life is
> > > > > > > > > > temporary and that we should pay heed to what lies ahead
> > > > > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > > paying as much attention to amassing materialistic
> > > > > > > > > > treasures over
> > > > > > > > > > spiritual values. Is death just a marker between lives?
> > > > > > > > > > Possibly
> > > > > > > > > > and for me most likely, no one has ever come back to tell
> > > > > > > > > > us anything
> > > > > > > > > > about it. Is there a Karma that carries from one life to
> > > > > > > > > > the next? I
> > > > > > > > > > would think that if the soul retains it's accumulated
> > > > > > > > > > properties then
> > > > > > > > > > it might also retain the aspects of retribution. Upon new
> > > > > > > > > > life in the
> > > > > > > > > > new physical frame is there a clean slate with which to
> > > > > > > > > > develop? I
> > > > > > > > > > often wonder why some people are born into extreme poverty
> > > > > > > > > > and pain
> > > > > > > > > > while others live wonderful lives. While both will have to
> > > > > > > > > > commit to
> > > > > > > > > > death the interim of life seems to have significance in the
> > > > > > > > > > fact that
> > > > > > > > > > maybe there is for them a lesson to be learned. I would
> > > > > > > > > > also have to
> > > > > > > > > > examine why it is that a person is born and dies within
> > > > > > > > > > hours of
> > > > > > > > > > living if there is any significance to life between birth
> > > > > > > > > > and death.
> > > > > > > > > > Some believe that what we do in this life influences our
> > > > > > > > > > lives to
> > > > > > > > > > come, so I have to
>
> ...
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