That's really only the start of the argument Craig, though a sensible
introduction that assumes a circular form rather too quickly.  Most
arguments like this 'return to the subject', yet within subjectivity
we then insist on objectivity - relativity insisting that it describes
space-time everywhere and so on.  Actor-network theory (for instance)
claims to be ontologically relativist and epistemologically empiricist
- which is not a statement of there being no reality apart from space-
time, but rather one that allows speculation on the nature of reality
under rules of evidence.  In principle, legal systems operate in a
similar matter, being led to conclusion by evidence (though in reality
they are often really a mess of lies and human interests- that is
ideological).  Modern relativism has reached a conclusion a bit like
yours in that it believes the reality hypothesis is implicit in its
reasoning, questioning what appears the inevitable theory-ladenness of
observations.  I suspect we would often agree on what the evidence in
a case is, assuming we could get some reliable investigation done -
that is we assume there is common ground and crucial evidence.  It
could be interesting here to compare a criminal case with the
scientific case that we live in a world that is a shadow of reality.

On 25 Mar, 02:36, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote:
> Reality is a word that has meaning.  Where did that meaning come
> from?  Hasn't it come from our experience?  What kind of experience
> could we have other than an experience in space and time?  There is no
> reality apart from space and time.  They are implicit in the very
> notion of reality.
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