Tinker - Who wants to keep repeating the same old patterns? Well, when
we get hooked into discussing any of the amazing number of unsolvable
conundrums that beset us every day, I guess it is us. So many of the
topics in philosophy pose a conundrum. We can talk about the topic
forever and really not get to any resolution, I suspect. Might that be
the purpose of the conumdrums - to get us talking with one another and
to keep us talking. Let's not get carried away though - no swearing,
no throwing rocks, no shooting the doctor through his kitchen window
or in his church. Right? Jim

On Jul 1, 4:35 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
> "I can grant certain psychic/psychological/spiritual patterns that we
> repeat *until we learn better* but I see advancement in that as well."
>
> We cannot advance when we keep repeating the same pattern. How can we
> possibly improve on what is contained in the pattern as long as we
> adhere to the pattern? The pattern IS "be the change you want to see"
> and it doesn't work after thousands of years being practiced by the
> majority of mankind.
> To change the pattern, which basically turns the consciousness inward
> to our One-ness, we need to bring our One-ness out to a 'common'
> consciousness.
>
> peace & Love
>
> On Jul 1, 2:22 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > So am I right in assuming you don't see any progress toward becoming
> > more civilized over our span?  That we are just repeating old patterns
> > well spoken about in literature and art over and over?
>
> > I can grant certain psychic/psychological/spiritual patterns that we
> > repeat until we learn better but I see advancement in that as well.
> > We're like a snake biting our own tail when it comes to behavior
> > patterns but that snake gets longer and fatter each cycle round.  I
> > see that growth as progress as in moving forward.  That snake doesn't
> > just run around itself at one place, it moves in 360 degrees from
> > where we first saw it.  But we are getting better at handling this
> > amazing adventure of becoming more human (it seems to me) in spite of
> > this 'veneer of civilization' we hold so gingerly because on another
> > level we know a lot of it is a pretense, a denial.  It amazes me
> > sometimes the number of times I've said, oh yeah, I can do that
> > without a clue.
>
> > On Jul 1, 12:35 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > It was the OT. Adam and Eve. Abel and Cain. The Greek myths and
> > > tragedies. All that has followed is just a variation.
>
> > > On Jul 1, 2:20 am, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Oh yes. I like to say that our veneer of civilization is thin and
> > > > easily stripped away.
>
> > > > On Jun 30, 3:17 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > "The difference between you and me is one...bad...day." - The Joker
> > > > > When it comes to violating social norms, it takes a surprisingly 
> > > > > little
> > > > > amount of trauma to begin to shift to "the other side".
> > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:57 PM, ornamentalmind 
> > > > > <[email protected]>wrote:
> > > > > > "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Lord of the Flies
>
> > > > Are you sure? I thought it was Walt Kelley's Pogo who nomed that
> > > > plume.- Hide quoted text -
>
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