After a quick check, I agree with you archy. 'The other stuff' is
mostly rationalization after the fact and/or projected upon someone
else's behavior.

On Jul 18, 4:05 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> I rather think men kill for petty, personal reasons - the other stuff
> is just bull.
>
> On 18 July, 23:42, Alan Wostenberg <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > A common belief today is that religion breeds violence.  Isn't this
> > like saying politics is violent?  I read the below today, and it gave
> > me food for thought, particularly that last sentence:
>
> > "Some kill because their faiths specifically command them to do so;
> > some kill though their faiths explicitly forbid them to do so; and
> > some kill because they have no faith and hence believe all things are
> > permitted to them. Polytheists, monotheists, and atheists kill. Men
> > kill for their gods, or for their God, or because there is no God and
> > human destiny must be shaped by gigantic exertions of human will. They
> > kill out of pursuit of universal truths, and out of fidelity to tribal
> > allegiances; for faith, blood and soil, empire, national greatness,
> > "socialist utopia", capitalism, and "democratization". Men always seek
> > gods in who's name they may perform great deeds or commit unspeakable
> > atrocity, even if those gods are not gods but "tribal honor", or
> > "genetic imperatives" or  "social ideals" or "human destiny" or
> > "liberal democracy".   Then again men also kill on account of money,
> > land, love, pride, hatred, envy or ambition. ... The truth is that
> > religion and irreligion are cultural variables, but killing is a human
> > constant"(*)
>
> > (*) David Bently Hart, _atheist delusion_ pg 
> > 12http://www.librarything.com/work/book/47946437- Hide quoted text -
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