Control is frequently closely related to power, and then politics is never far away and things like the sublimation of aggression and likes and dislikes which involves stuff like the competitive use of rules to win dominance games.
Factually, the situation is quite simple: the group belongs to Craig and he can decide whatever he likes. Although we disagree about nearly everything, I still trust his rationality and basic common sense. The sad thing about this whole issue is that it's completely unneccessary. If ornamentalmind has a problem with Molly reproducing some of his contributions here on her blog (which, incidentally, is also a google-owned application) all he has to do is to ask her to desist from this. I can hardly imagine her refusing to do so and instead telling him that she will in future print his posts on tissue- paper and use them to wipe her ass. There is no need to make it a matter of principle. For all we know, there may be hundreds of college students cutting and pasting stuff from our posts and using it to obtain better grades in their term papers. Does it really matter to us? The question of freedom and control on the internet keeps coming up and it IS important. My feeling is that control and regulation should be held as minimal as possible (how's that from a European social democracy tending sort of guy? :-)). The information revolution is forcing all sorts of areas from the music business to the publishing industry to reconsider what copyright and intellectual ownership actually mean - an ongoing process, in which many still seem to be trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube. I tend to support Justin's call to the moderators to carry out their discussion openly (without suggesting that they are obliged to do this - nobody here is really obliged to do anything). Molly is not chazwin. Minds Eye is not broken. There's no need to fix it. Francis On 25 Jul., 03:35, Justintruth <[email protected]> wrote: > > The admins are discussing this at the moment, but I'd suggest holding back > > from re-posting any more content until we're totally clear on the rules and > > their implications. Craig is a lawyer, so confident we'll get to the bottom > > of it. > > So are you saying that what is said here is irrelevant because the “ > admin” or "moderators" are "talking about this over email"? Why should > she hold back and refrain? It just wastes valuable time! > > Why aren't these so-called "admins" posting here so we all can see? If > they’ve got something to discuss... well bring it up! Who the hell are > they to be talking about this behind our backs. My uncles only > brother’s only son is a lawyer and I’m calling him because I believe > that listening and then talking about what was said (in email) is > plain and simple a form of cutting and pasting. And into a > conversation that is not even on the INTERNET! A private conversation! > An “un-moderated” conversation. How dare they! I hope that that are > not actually talking literally about what we say. Between themselves? > Without us? Cutting our words and pasting them into their private > conversation - sneakily - instead of leaving them in the public on > their blogs?! On the INTERNET! Our words...in public where WE PUT > THEM! Taking them private there's the harm. Sneaky little devils eh > what? > > Excuse me if I am slightly sane Alice but aren’t you saying she cut un- > copyrighted material out of one place ON THE INTERNET and pasted them > into another place ON THE INTERNET? > > But then, no use in us "discussing it". Because the *moderators* are > "talking about this over email".... ahhh... the moderators...the > admin. > > Glad I am not in a group that is actually political. I'd be scared. In > fact, I am getting a little frightened right now...yes... I can feel > the fear... way down there... oh there it is... yesss... now I am > getting scared. > > How about you, Molly. Aren't you "scared"? Just a little? How's it > feel when "they" cut you out of the herd. Can't you just feel the > predation? > > Can you describe what it felt like to see those posts... little like > seeing a rattle snake? Aww common you can work up some fear can’t you? > A rattlesnake with a green polyester leisure suite and a toupe? > > Listen to the tone in this post: > > "Molly, I have mentioned this before. My words are clear. You accept > them or you don't." > > “You accept them.... or....” > > You... um... er... accept them.... or .... well Molly dearest... he > did say .... “or you don’t”. Kind of sneaky the way the slip that > principle of non-contradiction in subliminal like no? “Either you > accept them or you don’t” That phrase....its either the principle of > non-contradiction itself or else its a threat. What do YOU think? > > Here’s my opinion. Forget the words, listen to the tone. It is what > betrays them all the time. What you are witnessing is a primate threat > display. Oh yes, it’s veiled as it always is. It’s actually quite > modern. Couched in reasonableness and authority. It’s practically an > archetype. You, dear, are being threatened! Now it would be a little > less hilarious, (and I would have a little less trouble maintaining my > fearfulness, I am trying, for the sake of the play you see), if we > could just see what they are threatening you with and what they are > threatening you for and how they can sustain their seriousness in the > face of this hilarity. But its so much better this way no? Sort of > Kafka for Shirley Temple? A harmless charade....Nicht vahr? > > Now listen to your tone Molly! After all you are not guiltless! > Copying! Pasting! You bad little girl! You should have used a > typewriter... Here is what you are guilty of: > > Molly:“I do not make money on it and have not received complaints > until now. It does > no harm, is not a secret, and I am told, is interesting and sometimes > helpful.” > > (Really Molly, READ Alexander Soljenitsyn. Really READ him: Gulag > Archipelago. The chapter on being arrested. “It must be a mistake!” > Did you know that when he was arrested his captors got lost and he led > them back away from enemy lines! “There must be some mistake!” “I was > just....” Forget the words, Molly, hear the tone. And Soljenitsyn, > like they all did, and like you are, apologizing and insisting there > must be a mistake... because they did nothing wrong! Just don’t play > with them dear. It’s not whether you did something wrong at all. It’s > about how they establish dominance. No need to apologize. None at all. > Really. None. No need to even sound like you are apologizing or even > hint that you could...one cold day in hell...maybe... After all “There > might be something I could have done but I am a good person....bla bla > bla”...the pattern! Look at the pattern!) > > Try something like: “I have done nothing wrong and if you insinuate > that I have that is slander”... then quote a link that defines the > legal meaning of the term. > > Way.... way... too submissive dear. You should have come out > fighting....”Sometimes” its helpful? Better to write something like > “The world depends on my Blog! Hell, lots of people would not have > read what is written here if they didn’t read it on My blog! Are you > crazy! Do you want to stop the culture of the world! Its critical that > I get the word out! EVERYONE knows that!” (Use the first person > singular as often as possible, its stronger than the first person > plural. Puff yourself up like when you meet a bear in the woods!) > > That word “sometimes”.... "sometimes"?... and.... "your are told"?... > "its useful"...It is just too submissive, Molly. Say: “It’s damn > useful!” Curse a little. Here is a better phrasing: > > Bug off! (I left the –ger off of Bug out of respect for your > positiveness Molly, - you are so positive and kind- but really, if > YOU had said it with the –ger in there it would have been so much > better.) BUGGER OFF! Nimwit! GadZooks Pinhead! Are you stupid! Are you > crazy? Don’t you know I HAVE to cut and paste! I don’t have TIME to > type it all in! (Strawman them a little) There is so little TIME and I > have so much to DO! So “pleeeassseee” go play on a beach, and pound > sand, or something. > > Now that’s the tone Molly. No conciliation there! (But you lack the > instinct for the jugular, dear. More of a dear deer than a wolf! A > deer in the headlights. But no real car headed your way behind those > headlights!!!! That's the great thing here! Eh! Its all just a play! A > little sideshow! We don’t even have to be careful!) > > Although I have to admit you scored by showing your understanding of > fair use etc. But really? When was the last time someone copyrighted > some material and then published it on a Google group for God’s sake? > I mean...GOOGLE... really! Have to be an idiot.... > > You are accusing her of WHAT! Cutting out of a group and pasting into > a blog?! Lions and Tigers and Bears OH MY! “I’ll get you and your > little dog too!” (To the moderators I typed that. I did not cut it out > of the movie and paste it here so don’t come get me... ok... I hardly > know her. ) > > I think you should sue just for the insinuation. Criminal false > insinuation or something. Compounded by a wanton lack of clarity and a > failure to take things .... seriously.... > > Lets all start copying as much as we can out of this news group and > post it all over the place...!!!!! Ha! > > Ich bin ein Molly! > > Power to the light bulb! REVOLUTION! "Oh my God I am sorry, my > backspace key is broken I didn't mean to say that...(but my copy and > paste key are still working though....) I didn’t really say that. I’m > sooooo sooorry. Scuse me. > > Is anyone "scared"? I am. You never know, what the "admin" is going to > do.... And all of those “moderators” and “administrators” are all > connected too....into one big moderator force... like ants.... they > are ....the “un-human”. > > But think about it .... anyone who would bother to pay attention to a > group like this .... > > THIS IS THE MOST HILARIOUS THING I HAVE HEARD IN AT LEAST 20 YEARS! > > Can you believe this?! > > Kafka in leotards. > > I just got a great idea! Let’s have a virtual stoning of Molly! Burn > her at the stake! Press her. Then she can dust her hands off and we > can get on with it all.... > > Frankly, things like this makes me long for the grave. I know better. > But they just do. Its so depressing. ITS MOLLY FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. READ > HER POSTS. > > Where is Alice? She fell through the hole in the Mind’s Eye. > > Post Script: this is from the Google groups link: > > “By way of example, and not as a limitation, you agree that when using > the Service, you will not: defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten or > otherwise violate the legal rights (such as rights of privacy and > publicity) of others;” > > My opinion is you are harassing her and are getting a little to close > to that... libelous word... know what I mean?...Don’t want to look > over that cliff....Gotcha! > > Besides. You are invading her privacy by telling everyone what she > published on her blog. I mean I can drink the Kookaide too! > > Now if they even insinuate that you have done something illegal or > unethical, Molly, then they better be able to prove it because you are > a writer and reputation has bearing on income for you and that means > that the case for damage can be made fairly easily. > > So if I were you guys... oh, I don’t mean Google the company... they > are blameless... its you guys personally ... acting outside of the > protection of Google’s legal umbrella... and dealing with a situation > that could be argued, in a court of law, as .... well lets exaggerate > a little and pretend this all isn’t a play....real damage... I’d > consider the risk. > > Never know when a nice submissive kind blameless woman just might turn > around and “Gotcha!” Never know! > > Forgive the rant...apologies in advance if you are just ... > > Erfahren Sie mehr » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
