Do I take it you mean all belife? I don't know if it's foundations are weak, but I can say without fear of contradiction ;¬) that nobody is free from belife of some kind or other.
Yes of course it can go that way, I would rather say that it is the person though not the idea. Any idea hold withing the cause of bias and bigotry, any idea has the pwoer to cause division, but then we are divded anyway. Gender, age, class, intelect, religion, skin colour, culture, what food we eat, music, all arts in fact, lot of things divide us. No need to get arsey about it, we can all agree to disagree. I am as you know by now a religiouse man, but both Ian and Chris I count as friends here and it is the differances between us that make for good debate. Personaly I see such division as reason to celebrate. I cannot know nor experiacne everything, I don't think I'll ever know what it is to be Atheist, but I can talk to thoese that experiance this everyday and becase of it I am richer, I am better now than I used to be, I am a fuller human. Not in spite of division, but because of it. On 30 July, 16:53, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > From my perspective, belief is anchored in a weak foundation. It can > be as unstable as the weather and just as stormy. If one doesn't > believe in what another believes in, it means one of two things, that > one is right and the other wrong (or vice versa), or both are wrong. > This does not create harmony and, in the mind of the fanatic, creates > solid reasons for anger, rebellion and even war. The biased need for > the adherent that their belief is the right one, is fundamental to > their emotional stability, and consequently a cause for them to get > their nickers in a knot if this belief is challenged. > > On Jul 30, 10:46 am, "[email protected]" > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hah Chris yes I agree it seems that many of my like mined compatrats > > get their nickers in a twist and start to loose all concept of > > reason. Why a belife in a creator God should make this so I don't > > know, but it is evidant that it does. > > > On 30 July, 15:21, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The problem mate is that people use the concept of invisible sky fairies > > > to > > > wreak havoc in society, education and government. This, and this alone, is > > > why we atheists must organize, and be active. Otherwise, I could give fook > > > all, and I'd join a random sky fairy party every month, just for the > > > cameraderie. > > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:01 AM, [email protected] < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yes Ian that does help explain a bit. However it is still not clear to > > > > me the differance in disbelife and absence of belife, which is why > > > > Iasked for a mundane example. > > > > > Let me try this one out on you then. > > > > > I'm reading my paper keeping myself to myself on my morning commute, > > > > when I notice a bloke reading over my shoulder, when I turn to him he > > > > brazenly and cheeckily asks me to flip back to the horoscopes page so > > > > he can check out how his day will goe. > > > > > I laugh and declare that that I do not accpet his claim that the > > > > movments of other planets and stars has any bearing on how our day > > > > will progress. > > > > > Do I do so from an absence of belife in horoscopes or from a disbelife > > > > in the concept of them? What in all reality is the differance. > > > > > Also if no agrument sways me to except the idea of a creator God, but > > > > at the same time I am unwilling to declare that I belive there exists > > > > no such thing, then am I not agnostic? > > > > > On 30 July, 14:43, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Lee, > > > > > > I'll try my best... > > > > > > The theist makes a positive assertion about the existence of God. An > > > > atheist > > > > > is someone who does not accept the theist's claim; thus they are an > > > > > "a"-theist. Atheism is therefore only the absence of that theistic > > > > belief. > > > > > An atheist does not claim to know that God does not exist, only that > > > > > the > > > > > arguments presented in favour, thus far, are insufficient hold such a > > > > > belief. > > > > > > Positively asserting that "there is no God" is further than any > > > > > sensible > > > > > atheist would go. An "in joke" that demonstrates this very well is the > > > > > chapter of Richard Dawkin's 'The God Delusion' entitled 'Why There > > > > > Almost > > > > > Certainly Is No God'. I could well believe that the nuances of this > > > > > were > > > > > lost on some people, but there's no semantic word fuckery going on; > > > > > this > > > > is > > > > > really what atheism is. > > > > > > What you continually describe, I think, is some form of escalated > > > > > "strong > > > > > atheism" or obnoxious forum trolling. I've started to wonder whether > > > > > this > > > > > particular kind of atheism only exists on Internet forums to > > > > > antagonise > > > > > theists (see Chazwin's posts). In a sensible discussion I don't know > > > > > any > > > > > atheist who would support such a position, hence I say your assertions > > > > about > > > > > atheism lead you only to a strawman. > > > > > > Look at the atheists you chat with here Mind's Eye; do I, Chris, > > > > > Fran, or > > > > > anyone else, claim "there is no God"? > > > > > > Ian- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
