Of course, the issue for many is the belief structure(s) around spontaneous healing. And, while I appreciate the need to heal ones thinking too…and gain an intellectual clarity…most who poopoo spontaneous healing appear to do so based upon a specific logic or set of axioms or set of rules of debate rather than the scientific method which most seem to embrace.
So, here, I will suggest to this rather large group of posers here at ME that while they are welcome to share their beliefs, they should also use the scientific method themselves in such cases. And, here I do not mean just watching someone else pray for change, I mean a personal commitment to try some other mode of health/healing than their current structures are attracted to as well as a coherent praxis. On Aug 4, 12:39 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > "Finding one of these people is very difficult. It is far easier to > become > one, " > > Which isn't easy at all (but I know you know that Allan.) > > Slips question was, I think, - if this can occur, why doesn't it > always occur when we require healing? It is called "faith" healing > because it requires a leap of faith, a foundation of belief, a trans- > rational knowing that the state of health is the current state, or > "now" on every level, including physical. It requires a state of > knowing that there is no illness and no healing, only current health. > Why can't every one, even those who practice prayer achieve this? > Maybe they are praying for healing of an illness and getting more > illness and healing. Maybe because this state of consciousness and > level of integration is quite rare difficult to sustain throughout a > lifetime. If there is a lingering doubt or fear that spontaneous > healing cannot or will not occur, or some psychological reason for a > person to be pulled back into the rational or pre rational mode of > thought, it will not occur. Even the level of consciousness necessary > to transcend our doubts and fears requires crossing the threshold from > duality to non duality and not all of us can make this leap, but more > and more all the time. > > For myself, I have been able to achieve a remarkable healthy state > after a sickly childhood and early adulthood, after , as Richard > Reynman would say, taking the world from another point of view, and > beginning a health regime that included revamping my beliefs and self > image to include a picture of perfect health. From time to time, and > during the greatest stress, I will still get headaches. And I continue > to make a consolidated effort to improve my digestion. But I find > that as the way that I digest life changes, so to speak, so does the > way my body digest the food I eat. > > I have had and been privileged to witness spontaneous healing. All I > can say is, if you are truly open to it, there are avenues for you to > pursue all around you. The more open you are open to it, the more > evidence of this will come into your experience. But it is up to > YOU. It is not up to anyone else to double bind prove it to you. It > is not up to anyone else to heal you (although people can assist you > because we work better in groups.) When the chips are down, and like > Gregg Braden who had been lecturing about the spontaneous healing of a > bladder tumor for years, and the diagnosis of of bladder tumor is > coming out of your doctors mouth right now - only you can quell that > doubt and fear and muster the state of being required to restore > health. Interesting that that was his message all along and he was > given a chance to prove it to himself. > > I would also like to note that while I followed the current medical > model, my health never really improved but rather, took a slow > downward spiral. Medication can often cause momentary alleviation of > symptoms, but the root cause may not be resolved. I can still take an > aspirin for a headache, but that doesn't give me an answer as to why > they occur during stress or resolve the problem of their occurrence > for me. Can you prove to me that the reason that antibiotic stops > infection is NOT because the patient believes that it will? Placebo > is powerful, but like prayer, not always effective because there are > aspects of the mystery present but not accounted for. > > I agree wholeheartedly with Allan. Once achieving this level of > consciousness and state of health, the last thing I want to do is > spend my time proving it to other people, and end up like Elisabeth > Targ of Gregg Branden, saddled with the very illness that is the focus > of my thoughts and efforts in proving it to you. Once you can and do > achieve health through spontaneous healing, you know it is time to > move beyond - onward to the greater mystery! The potentiality is > there for everyone and each, in their own time, will discover it. > > On Aug 4, 2:11 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Faith healing is a strange subject. There are many faith healers that > > believe in the power of prayer and if you are not healed it is your fault > > because you do not believe or not enough. There is the con men who there is > > a lot of weird things claiming things.. God's calling > > > but from my observations they are not valid, neither proposition. Yet from > > observation of others and my own life the energy and healing that with in > > all humanity is seldom accessed. Those that are able to access this energy > > end up hiding because they want a life. > > > Finding one of these people is very difficult. It is far easier to become > > one, > > Allan > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > So those that fail to heal through prayer failed because they didn't > > > believe? > > > > On Aug 4, 12:07 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > In order for non medical healing to occur, you need to believe in it. > > > > > On Aug 4, 12:57 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I don't totally doubt that some form of healing may take place when > > > > > applying other non-scientific methods but "why" the healing is taking > > > > > place is questionable especially when considering placebo studies. > > > > > The question I have is this, if the other methods work, prayer, faith > > > > > or hands on, then why aren't we all using them? When we have a fever > > > > > or a headache, we take medicine and it works time and time again for > > > > > millions of people, it is "Consistent". > > > > > I had a bad sinus infection in the spring and didn't even think of > > > > > going to my neighbor for some prayer session. I went to the doctor, > > > > > he gave me a powerful antibiotic and within a few hours the > > > > > excruciating pain subsided. > > > > > People have been praying for thousands of years with a paltry success > > > > > rate while medicine has been around for thousands of years with a > > > > > proven and consistent success rate. Why waste time with non-science > > > > > when science works? > > > > > Isn't the answer clear? > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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