> <[email protected]> wrote: > > The thing with the % tax rate system is that even 50% taken from 200k > > leaves 100k. Which is still far beyond the avarge wage packet yes? > > Yes, and if I had one arm hacked off I would still have one left
What has that gfot to do with taxes? > > Now lets get to 'one way to look at money'. Money does not in any way > > shape or form represent work. > > You fail to provide a supporting argument for this. It's one of those known things, you know like if I told you that the earth was roughtly spherical, you would not even think to ask me to proove it, it is taken as is. Money is a promise, there is no intrinsic value in it, it is a promise to recompense the bearer fairly for the vaule of goods or service. > > So in conclusion, it is all about duty. Those better eqiuped(in > > whatever way) have a duty towards those less able. > Duty is another concept. I don't agree with that one either, we can > save that for later. I don't see what all that had to do with fair. > I do see how it is helpful to care about people. I see how nice it is > for you to sacrifice for those who need help. To force that concept on > all is a bit heavy handed in the taxing dept, I mean they already give > the most, but..... I prefer the "choose" to help concept. But I > agree that it makes for a better society! There is no force there at all, it is about shared duty. From the day you were born you have been indepted to the goverment, you have and still do make use of the facilites that are provide for you to use, via sociaty through the medium of goverment. When you where a child you where schooled, you walked along paved streets made use of street lighhting, played in public parks, and wher asked to contribute nothing, you in a real sense had a free ride. All provided by sociaty via goverment. Now you are an adult it is your time to share the burden, not only for yourself or your dependants but for the rest of sociaty, as they have provided for you, as those who have gone before have provided for you so it is time to do the same for those who will come after you. Your definition of fair is equal treatment. Is it equal treatment then to take from those who have provided for you and not provide something back? No by your own defintion it is not fair. > These are wonderful qualities. I don't like that you do not apply that > to rich people too. Like they are criminals or something? > Gosh what do they have to do to be appreciated! They pay all that > money and they are despised as greedy! The nerve! Where do you get that from then? You accused me yesterday of not knowing your 'core philospy' now you are guilty of the same. Did you not read that I am no longer a poor man myself? I do not hate the rich, I do belive though that those with more should pay more, and I have admited that I have no problems in applying this to myself. > > If you deny this, the visulaise the dispare that you may feel if > > circumstances dictate a life of poverty, and entrapment, with no way > > out except the kindness of strangers. What would you personaly give > > to ensure that your own children did not grow up in such a situation? > > I don't have any kids. But let me tell you something that is > important. I would HATE to have to ask anyone for anything. I dread > that . I find it so rude to "expect" or "demand" that I be helped and > someone was forced to give that help. I do not want to burden my > fellow man. He has his life, I have mine. If he chooses to help me? > Great, but I will try and refuse that too unless I was that > desperate, because I do not want to take from him. I don't feel that > is "owed" to me. It is not anyone's "duty" to help me. "Duty" > REQUIRES "someone else" as more important than yourself. I find that > idea untenable without "choice" being in there. Duty contains no > choice. See? Again though where is the force youspeak of here? And the demand? How does duty require that some body else is more important, duty is about shared responsiblity, well duty to sociaty is. > > Me? I would give everything, and when I DO visualise it, my natural > > empathy for my fellow human ensures that I would do almost the same to > > help those not directly connected with me. > > Even the rich people? Kidding, you are a very nice human. Your > cursing is a bit strong, but you are OK. Thanks for participating! I > don't think I will be winning any points with you, but hey, it was > fun! > > Try saying something nice about a rich person won't you? a simple > thanks? Is that so much to ask? You see here you go again, please show me where I have showed any sort of negativity to the rich? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
