On 24 Aug, 12:33, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Ahhh I know an answer for that Pat, you may not like it and acuse me
> of side stepping and you may well be right in that.
>
> It all depends on ones mindset.
>
A bit of a sidestep, yes. Perhaps an example would better serve
my point. It's easy to change one's mind, right? How about
sexuality? How long will it take you to convince yourself that the
opposite sexuality from that which you have is, now, desirable? I
suggest that you would NOT be able to convince yourself, thus proving
that it is our desires which lead our perceptions rather than our
perceptions leading our desires. Whilst it does depend on one's
mindset in that one's mindset IS one's nature. And one cannot change
their nature...only discover more aspects OF it. ;-)
> On 24 Aug, 12:23, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 24 Aug, 11:22, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Ahhhh well I guess then that cultural morality, and the question of
> > > history and whether or not it is ethical to invade another land in
> > > order to bring about the type of change ones own culture says is GOOD
> > > is not as intersting as music. Well honestly yes I can see why. ;¬)
>
> > This brings up an old question: Is it that one desires something
> > because one perceives it as good or does one perceive something as
> > good because one desires it? Most people would instinctively state
> > the former...proving the latter. ;-)
>
> > > On 21 Aug, 14:50, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On 21 Aug, 13:55, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > The idea that humility is the basis of grace is, I think, wonderful.
> > > > > I have personally known several public officials who have taken a
> > > > > great deal of flack and criticism over the years, yet know them to be
> > > > > humble, loving people with empathy for others central to their
> > > > > actions. I wonder at the nature of our need for criticism, perhaps it
> > > > > is driven, as you suggest, from occult low self esteem. Roger Ebert,
> > > > > the movie critic, is one I have watched over the years and enjoyed
> > > > > even though he can be caustic and bend toward the popular at times.
> > > > > Because of a recent bout with throat cancer, he continues his work as
> > > > > a writer with a wonderful blog. He posted recently that very few
> > > > > people under 50 read the movie reviews and it is becoming a dying
> > > > > trade. It got me to thinking who wonderful life might be without
> > > > > critics - which of course, does not include integrated discernment and
> > > > > positive feedback. That everybody wins spirit can be hard to find.
>
> > > > It's hard to find because it's not imbued into us as children. If
> > > > we taught that we are all in this together and were shown through
> > > > example how we all can benefit, it would be a lot easier to find.
> > > > Rather, we're taught how to compete and beat each other; so we grow up
> > > > and fight and kill one another. Garbage in, garbage out. If we are
> > > > to make that next evolutionary leap, we need to understand some home
> > > > truths, but those truths upset the paradigm of fat and happy cats and
> > > > those cats were taught to perceive others as competitors rather than
> > > > brethren.
>
> > > > > On Aug 21, 7:41 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 21 Aug, 12:05, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On the way to work this moring I was pondering over a thing with
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > intent of bringing it up here. Then of course I got into work and
> > > > > > > promptly forgot all about it.
>
> > > > > > > However when Pat said this:
>
> > > > > > > 'The history of our world is littered with good 'bad examples',
> > > > > > > yet we
> > > > > > > never see them as such and, so, are doomed to repeat them until we
> > > > > > > sort out our perspectives.'
>
> > > > > > > In the 'What is fair?' thread, it brought it all back to me, so
> > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > off, cheers for that Pat.
>
> > > > > > No worries. Synchronicity is a speciality of mine. ;-)
>
> > > > > > > Our history is rich with examples of one culture or one religoin
> > > > > > > invadeing the terriotory of another country in order to bring
> > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > own form of 'order' to that place. Think British Empire, think
> > > > > > > crusades, think Tibet.
>
> > > > > > > So is this ethicaly sound, and is there then any differance
> > > > > > > between
> > > > > > > these examples and our troops in Afganistan?
>
> > > > > > The main difference is time. The TRUTH is that we're all in this
> > > > > > (world) together and it would behoove us (all!) if we 'grew up' and
> > > > > > realised that. Some people view their desires as more important
> > > > > > than
> > > > > > those of others. So, rather than trying to seek out a way for all
> > > > > > parties' desires to be striven for, those with a technological
> > > > > > advantage, step on those without it and force their desires on the
> > > > > > others without consideration (might makes right). This is done by
> > > > > > selfish/self-important, callous individuals who MAY also have a form
> > > > > > of occult low self esteem veiled by an outward projection of
> > > > > > arrogance
> > > > > > (usually seen by others as false or baseless arrogance). A good
> > > > > > dose
> > > > > > of empathy is the cure, but, unfortunately, it doesn't come in a
> > > > > > tablet, capsule or injectible form. Rather, it requires humility,
> > > > > > which to the individual with an occult low self esteem, appears to
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > too big of a price to pay, as it requires themselves to humble
> > > > > > themselves when they would rather be seen as 'on high'. It was to
> > > > > > this way of thinking that Jesus appealed to us by saying, "...those
> > > > > > who would be last will be first and the first last". Thus the true
> > > > > > servant of God is a servant to all humanity, rather than attempting
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > be the Lord of all humanity. It is for this reason that Islam
> > > > > > endeavours to instruct its adherents to be 'slaves of Allah', i.e.,
> > > > > > servants of God. The term 'slave of Allah' is intended to be a
> > > > > > great
> > > > > > compliment, but many non-Muslims don't understand it and take
> > > > > > offense
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