You can also leave the politics behind, hopefully. Considering Greece
and Rome were felled by traitors and barbarians, I see a parallel to
our own age, unfortunately.

On Sep 12, 7:33 am, Simon Ewins <[email protected]> wrote:
> If we are lucky we will forget to pack our religion when we leave.
> This will greatly reduce the chance of taking our wars with us. :)
>
> 2009/9/12 Slip Disc <[email protected]>:
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> > So in 5 billion years we'll finally have some peace on earth, great!
> > Perhaps by then the probability that there will be discovery of other
> > habitable orbs and ability to transverse galaxies to get there, will
> > be greatly increased if not already accomplished.  Even if we have to
> > jump from space station to space station, we will extend our reach.
> > We can take our wars and chaos somewhere else.
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> > On Sep 11, 7:04 pm, Simon Ewins <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Oh yes, indeed we are lucky to spend some time on this knife's edge.
> >> But it is fleeting in cosmological terms. The Sun is a yellow, G2 V
> >> main sequence dwarf.  Yellow dwarfs live about 10 billion years (from
> >> zero-age main sequence to white dwarf
> >> formation), and our Sun is already about 5 billion years old. We are
> >> half way to oblivion.
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> >> The Sun is losing its mass and with every minute we inch further away.
> >> We should enjoy it while we can because eventually the chaos of the
> >> universe will extinguish us like so many before and so many yet to
> >> come.
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> >> 2009/9/11 Slip Disc <[email protected]>:
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> >> > I'm sure you can move closer, or farther, depending upon your
> >> > perspective, in order to absorb more than 160 tons of solar energy,
> >> > which may render you more like the chard remnants of the forgotten rib
> >> > rack on my outdoor gas grill.  I think a better perspective might be
> >> > how delicately balanced everything is in order for us to survive
> >> > within a violent environment such as the universe.
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> >> > On Sep 11, 4:13 pm, sjewins <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> There are an amazing series of flaws that constitute the universe,
> >> >> from its appalling celestial waste to its meagre and slipshod powers
> >> >> of sustaining life. The uselessness of satellites, their sole function
> >> >> being to whirl incessantly around their parent bodies in aimless
> >> >> revolutions, does not speak of intelligent design. Neither does the
> >> >> incalculable stellar wastage caused by undirected forces -- damaged
> >> >> moons, smashed planets, burst stars due to overly-rapid rotation --
> >> >> point to the possibility that there is a "Celestial Engineer" in
> >> >> charge.
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> >> >> Earth's cosmic clock is ticking as our sun radiates away its energy
> >> >> into desert space (thereby losing its weight also), squandering
> >> >> 360,000 million tons of energy every day of which only 160 tons reach
> >> >> our planet, or less than one two-thousand-millionth part of the total
> >> >> radiation. The energy not wasted is greatly misdirected, with not
> >> >> enough to sustain life in our polar regions, and too much in the
> >> >> burning deserts of Mongolia and Africa. As the sun loses its weight at
> >> >> the rate of 4 million tons a second, so it correspondingly loses its
> >> >> gravitational hold on the earth. Slowly but steadily, our planet is
> >> >> drifting away from the sun and there is no escaping the inevitability
> >> >> of earth's destiny -- to become just another of the billions of
> >> >> lifeless globes carrying nothing but the frozen remains of what were
> >> >> once living beings.
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> >> >> But oh how beautiful the universe is! Hubble's photographs show
> >> >> incredible random abstract beauty. In a universe that contains so much
> >> >> that is the same as that from which we arose it is absurd to think
> >> >> that we are alone. I think the universe is teeming with life.
> >> >> Intelligent like us, less so, and moreso. There are civilizations that
> >> >> have been around for 100 times as long as we and have undoubtedly
> >> >> discovered the secrets that we dream of. Have grown away from the
> >> >> monsters in childhood closets that are the gods. There are also surely
> >> >> those younger than us who are still inventing their gods to explain
> >> >> what they experience around them.
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> >> >> We have one thing in common. We are all stardust. From stars we came
> >> >> and to stars we will return. Our molecules drifting towards and beyond
> >> >> this beautiful universe that we call home. Stare at the stars and see
> >> >> your past and your future.- Hide quoted text -
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