On 25 Sep, 13:55, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Umm 'doing the right thing' and 'more to do with ethics than morals'
> would suggest that Honour is bound up in ethics. Just an aside then
> if ethics is concerend with doing what is right, and morals are
> concerned with questions of what is right or wrong, then can it be
> true that ethics are as subjective as morality?
>
As I've said before, ethics is a societal thing and morals are
personal. Ethics are subjective to a society and morals are
subjective to an individual. Right and wrong, whether perceived by a
society or an individual are still just perceptions based on a
profound lack of information (in that every act we perform has
reactions that carry on from that point forward and, as we have no
access to the future, we should endeavour to ensure that our actions
should lead to predominately positive results.). And, it might seem
contradictory in light of our free will conversations, but, I think
that, if the person about to commit an honour killing has the
opportunity to speculate that they don't HAVE to kill, then they
should feel obliged NOT to, if for no other reason than that they may
not know the full circumstances regarding the original killing (which
MAY have been in self-defense) and are, by taking up their 'right',
may, actually, be giving the other family the true 'right' to return
like for like. And the cycle continues. It's for reasons like THIS
that I feel the ability (and opportunity) to speculate about an
unknown future is just as important (and still makes us liable) as
having free will in its usual sense.
> Aside over.
>
> More I need more people, I'm trying to understand this concept of
> honour. Honour killings for example strike me as well not really
> honourable at all, the honour of the family, what does that actualy
> mean?
>
Honour killings were based on the old 'Eye for an Eye' rule,
which, of course, meant not more than an eye for an eye... So, if
someone killed a member of your family, the code allowed the injured
family to kill a member of the originally offending family to offset
their murder. However, to those that abide by that code, I would
remind them that "'Vengeance is mine', saith the Lord" and let God
deal with it, as only He has access to ALL the information regarding
it. So, whilst the law (or code) may permit the retaliation, it would
be more 'Godlike' if the offended family acted more godly and
exercised their mercy and let God dole out the judgements, rather than
assume that their retaliation IS God's judgement.
> On 25 Sep, 13:32, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Well, an individual must abide by the code of his/her culture although
> > one can walk away from dishonour and generally pay a steep price for
> > it. I think it means doing the right thing despite the cost.
>
> > On Sep 25, 6:48 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On 25 Sep, 12:13, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > It seems an easy enough question. What is it, what does it mean to
> > > > have it, what acts are honourable and what not?
>
> > > It mostly depends on culture. It was honourable to the Aztecs to be
> > > sacrificed to Quetzalcoatl, I doubt many today would feel the same.
> > > Thieves, at one time, had a code of conduct, making some theiving
> > > honourable and other thieving not honourable. Seppuku (harakiri) is
> > > considered honourable in Japanese culture, but viewed as simple
> > > suicide and damnable by the West. Roughly, honour (like good and
> > > evil) is, like its opposite, shame, an opinion/perception and is
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