While you are at it make a design for a really neat tree house in the Jungle
On Oct 18, 4:39 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > My main concern is that we should be trying to establish what is basic > to us. I'd go for something around: > > 1. How much work do we really need to do to support decent living > standards now? > 2. How could we sensibly reduce the global population? > 3. What do we need to work on to make communities sustainable and > resilient? > 4. What big science should we be doing and why? > 5. How do we grasp equality whilst recognising people aren't the same? > 6. How do we motivate and record work as credit to a citizen? > 7. What range of earnings should we allow? > 8. How do we create a knowledge base with open, free access? > 9. How do we form democratic armed services and police? > 10.How do we break up professional restrictive practices? > 11. How do we form a new politics of countervailing institutions > working for the people and much more answerable to the people? > > It goes on. The key thing to me is none of the above, but trying to > do something already collective, based in all of our ideas. > On 18 Oct, 23:11, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Often posts suggesting a better way of thinking, living, being etc. is > > not only possible but is necessary show up here. Being immersed in > > idealism myself, I thought a thread where we could ‘work’, in the > > sense of finding agreement, might be at best helpful - at worst, > > informative. > > > To that end, and with the hope of not getting too bogged down in > > argumentation, what primary points do we agree upon? The details, > > wherein lie both devils and dragons, can be addressed once the basic > > structure is codified. > > > Areas I suggest include: > > > 1. The right to life. (even though at some point overpopulation will > > have to be addressed.) > > 2. Liberty. Where does one place limits here, if at all? > > 3. Health. How do we as a people help to assure less suffering when it > > comes to our bodies and even our emotions and mind? > > 4. Justice. How is this determined? > > > This is only a suggested start. For me, I do not embrace the ‘eye for > > an eye’ mentality and find other ‘solutions’ to crime etc. can be > > found. So, regardless of human passions, life itself is sacred. > > > As to liberty, this too can be a large topic, however, servitude not > > self imposed seems to be unacceptable to me. What do you think? > > > Health is a big topic today. Leaving aside the details again, at least > > for a while, what specific areas can we agree upon, at least as far as > > an ethos is concerned? Is it not preferable for us all to have access > > to quality healthcare? > > > Justice. Something that brings all sorts of beliefs. Often I bring up > > the term universality, a concept I learned from Chomsky. In many ways, > > it is nothing new and is about identical with things like the Golden > > Rule and other well known admonitions and ideals. > > > Again, I hope for finding a point of unity (agreement), the basics > > without which any sort of unified action by humanity seems impossible > > save through the use of force, the other option. > > > As an analogy, I doubt that today’s cell phone would have come into > > existence, at least not nearly as soon, without the vision of what was > > found in Dick Tracy and/or Buck Rogers. What is your vision, the > > basics?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
