I rather like this guy and thanks for introducing him Orn.  This
didn't work for me, though it is important for something I want to
write and can't find the words for.  Essentially, 'will' tends to have
operational definitions and I felt the paper left me wondering on the
creation of 'conditions of existence'.  I preferred some early work
you recommended.  He is worth reading.

On 25 Oct, 11:54, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> “…Each partner encourages and motivates the other into
> activities and goals they might not have otherwise pursued on their
> own.  …” – DJ
>
> Don, while just today, I had a similar thought, my guess is that the
> professionals on this list will make it clear that we have merely
> chosen our parents to ‘marry’ and continue the unfinished process of
> our youth.
>
> On Oct 25, 4:32 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Bagginses don't go adventuring...
>
> > it's considered disreputable behavior and generally frowned upon.
> > Unless one has a very powerful wizard kicking your butt out the
> > door...
>
> > Come to think of it; all my life's big changes I was pretty much
> > dragged into kicking and screaming.  Metaphorically speaking.  All my
> > planned changes have been relatively methodical and boring.
>
> > My current epiphany explains the usefulness of marriage in the success
> > of the family.  Each partner encourages and motivates the other into
> > activities and goals they might not have otherwise pursued on their
> > own.  Acting as each others own bullying wizard. Have we as a society
> > made it far too easy to raise ones kids on ones own?  Ok, now I'm
> > descending into do do, Sorry.
>
> > dj
>
> > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:03 AM, frantheman <[email protected]> 
> > wrote:
>
> > > There's a lot of interesting stuff here, Orn, imo, some very good
> > > observations. A few short comments:
>
> > > One approach which I find useful is the question: "Freedom from what?"
> > > - and the implication, freedom for what?
>
> > > Regrettably, Wallace occasionally wanders into the (false) dichotomy
> > > free/not-free, although I appreciate that it's difficult not to when
> > > trying to make arguments in this context. That said, his basic intent
> > > seems to be to go beyond this dialectic. This problem arises
> > > frequently in many presentations of Buddhist teaching when people work
> > > with the image of not-enlightened/enlightened - although I think that
> > > this has more to do with the difficulty of expressing some ideas in
> > > clear language/argument.
>
> > > I find the ideas he develops from the concept of Vajrayana
> > > interesting. Although (as most of those who have been around here for
> > > longer know) I definitely do not describe myself as a Christian, I
> > > find it similar to the Christian concept of "Eschatology" in the sense
> > > in which more creative theologians work this out in the idea of the
> > > contemporaneous interaction of the "now" and the "not yet."
>
> > > All of this can be put in a general context of various thought/idea
> > > models, which can help us move on a bit farther and need not
> > > necessarily be put into direct opposition to each other (a bit like
> > > the blind men and the elephant). From my personal stand-point, I find
> > > various thought-models which focus on "becoming" more useful - at this
> > > particular point in my own story. For that reason, I'm inclined to use
> > > images/metaphors like "journey", "adventure", "vector", (perhaps even
> > > "pilgrimage", although this term has some problematic connotations).
> > > This gives a picture of life as a journey into depth, experiencing
> > > more wonder and beauty, discovering simultaneously more complexity and
> > > simplicity, moving from less freedom to more freedom, from less
> > > enlightenment to more enlightenment, from ignorance to more wisdom,
> > > etc. Growth, with all that involves. Not that this journey is
> > > continually linearly progressive, like most ways it takes all kind of
> > > twists and turns and like any good adventure sometimes takes side-
> > > tracks or even goes backwards for a while. But all that goes to make
> > > up the story, the personal artistic masterpiece that is every
> > > individual life. I'm reminded of Bilbo's dangerous road, starting
> > > right outside your front door ...
>
> > > Francis
>
> > > On 25 Okt., 08:58, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> I guess I was also looking for criticism, analysis, opinions, etc.
> > >> about this too...In other words:
>
> > >> What do you think?
>
> > >> On Oct 24, 4:53 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >> > "B. Alan Wallace addresses the topic of free will: how Buddhism
> > >> > focuses on how we may achieve greater freedom in the choices we make,
> > >> > rather than struggling with the metaphysical issue of whether we
> > >> > already have free will.
> > >> > Central to the question of free will is the nature of human identity,
> > >> > and it is in this regard that the Buddhist view of emptiness and
> > >> > interdependence is truly revolutionary..."
>
> > >> > A new article by Alan, the entirety of which can be read at:
>
> > >> >http://www.sbinstitute.com/readinglibrary.html
>
> > >> > (the first link on the page)- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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