I thought Ian said it's not all about the United States. Isn't that what you're describing now?
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:25 AM, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > So causing the growing percentage of poor, closing down any media > outlet that doesn't stop everything to show him whenever he chooses, > sending troops to stop any demonstration, arresting and murdering > opposition members, determining curricula in schools to reflect only > what he desires, arresting the economy and preventing growth, ...all > of these are good to you? > > On Jan 26, 4:32 am, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > Don, it's not all about the United States (believe it or not). What you > > think works for your country is not a good fit elsewhere. It's not that > > simple. > > > > In Venezuela, where the poor account for 80% of the population, I think > > there are better ways of developing the economy and taking care of the > > people. Chavez has brought education and healthcare to these people. He > has > > also involved them in a political process from which they have > historically > > been excluded. Certain freedoms which you think are incredibly important, > > others see as less so when compared to free availability of healthcare, > > education, and price controls on food and resources. > > > > Chavez has done anything but run his country into the ground (despite > > America's attempts to destablise the country), he has taken them so far > > forward from where they were. Quite aside from what he has achieved in > his > > own country, you have to love him for being one of the few world leaders > to > > stand up to America's imperialism. > > > > Ian > > > > 2010/1/25 Don Johnson <[email protected]> > > > > > How much better off would S. America be without the ruinous influence > > > of the new dictator for life and Castro clone Chavez? How bad must it > > > get before you see the dangers inherent in a system that rewards > > > incompetence and punishes accomplishment? I know capitalism isn't > > > perfect but it's the best and fairest way towards progress. Vam makes > > > his point very well and I agree in principle with what he says in > > > regards to the U.S. political swinging system. But not on the world > > > stage. Even the swinging from business interests to social interests > > > has been heavily favored towards a socialist agenda since the Great > > > Society. Maybe since the New Deal. I'm thinking a return to early > > > 20th century capitalism may be our only way to pull us out of the > > > economic doldrums we now face. Surrendering to a global socialist > > > system would be a disaster for the U.S. and probably the world. > > > Absolute disaster. As bad as we are doing for ourselves at the moment > > > imagine how bad it would get with some world body like the UN in > > > charge. *shudder* > > > > > Looks like I've gone off the reservation again. Sorry. I can't help > > > but think with a prominent and free press we can make capitalism work > > > much better then it did 100 years ago. Better and more humane. One > > > need only look to the massive puplic support towards the people of > > > Haiti to see this is so. > > > > > All I am saaaaaying, > > > Is give Capitalism a chaaaance...... > > > > > ;-) > > > > > -Don > > > > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > 2010/1/24 Don Johnson <[email protected]> > > > > > >> It saddens me that many of you probably support this kind of fascist > > > >> leadership just so long as that leadership is in favor of wealth > > > >> redistribution. How can anyone like ANYTHING about this shameful > thug > > > >> Chavez? I just don't get it. He's running his country into the > > > >> ground and blaming America and getting totally away with it. Tell > me, > > > >> which is better. Unrestricted free speech(barring the obligatory > > > >> "Fire" in the theatre) or blatant suppression/forced control over > the > > > >> content of that speech? I'll take the first one. Every time. > > > > > > Of course he's blaming America, Don, after all the U.S. did support a > > > coup > > > > d'état to remove him from power in 2002. :) > > > > > > Chavez is a hero and beacon of hope for South America and 3rd world > > > counties > > > > more generally. > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > <minds-eye%[email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > > > > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > <minds-eye%[email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > > > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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