Not far off what I mean Don.  All sorts of MumboJumbo is flying
around.  All of it has ideology in it, even the health food.  Could we
get it listed like E numbers?  Cute nurses - never too much
information!  Commies?  Nah!  The apparatcheks have all become
entrepreneurcheks these days.

On 2 Feb, 15:05, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> Oh yes, we can spend countless hours telling each other how the other
> guy's idea sucks.  That's usually the easy part.  I read an
> interesting article while waiting in the doctor's office last week
> that challenges entrepreneurs to be more socially responsible.  I
> linked last year to a WSJ article from Whole Food's Mackey that had
> some commies(and a few union members) getting their knickers all in a
> twist.  Here it is again for those of you that like a blast from the
> past.
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020425140457434217007286...
>
> Here's the article I read while sitting in my drawers waiting for the
> cute nurse to show up and check me for a hernia.
>
> http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/141/the-miracle-worker.html
>
> Yeah, I know.  Too much info.
>
> -Don
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:22 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 'The Trouble With Capitalism' was written in 1998 by Harry Shutt (Zed
> > Books).  In a typical capitalist turn it's out again now with a new
> > preface and a couple of new cases.  The book exposes the monolithic
> > commitment of the political mainstream to the state's propping up of
> > profit-maximising interests which actually lead us more or less to a
> > state of no real politics.  Much argument in ME just never gets to
> > grip with any of this, almost as if the concept is unknown.  Profit
> > would be fine if we could actually redistribute it into stuff that
> > formed the real capital of life - decent safe housing, research and
> > development and whatever.  Instead, it probably just reinforces
> > centralised power and imperialist stealing.
>
> > Levels of economic knowledge are dismal in the broad population.  They
> > vary from subsistence farmers who hide their crops and grow no more
> > because it would only be stolen, to nationalisations done to try to
> > stop corporate theft.  It all gets complicated by whoever has control
> > acting like King Mouse in keeping all others impoverished to maintain
> > his own position (Chavez perhaps, Mugabe without doubt).  All of it
> > ends up with ideologies being used to justify those in power, or even
> > the comfortable lives of some 'niche radicals'.  Shutt calls for a
> > radical change to the allocation of global resources if we are to have
> > a humane future.  Fine, but pissing in the wind.  I can find versions
> > of his book published in 1880.
>
> > The arguments are not really about some kind of cosy and decent global
> > communism.  For a start, communism was really only ever a free table
> > provided by slaves, for a few men who would give up competition with
> > each other through shared affluence and wives to allow the examined
> > life.  They should be about the control of power and we do see this in
> > a partial sense in the obviously unmeant stuff about restricting
> > bwanker-bonus culture and our miserable western right to vote out one
> > set of idiots to replace the personal with more of the same.  Behind
> > them is a power structure we are not allowed to shift at all and some
> > kind of legal system that rarely does much other than for the powerful
> > and is broadly unaccessible to the poor other than in limited but
> > still expensive ways for the scrote.  It would be a whole new
> > experience for me to be able to vote for what I want to see happen,
> > rather than the lesser of evils on offer.  Traditionally, this was a
> > Labour vote, but Nulabour is now just lying crud.  The Tories seem
> > pretty stupid, and I've found myself tempted to vote for them much as
> > I voted Labour to get rid of them 12 years ago, which I now see as a
> > vote for CIA-Blair.  The Liberals make more sense than either now, but
> > I really want much more substantial change and none is on offer.
>
> > I want to be able to vote to stop our engagement in any more war.  I
> > want a new form of regional politics with focus on Westminster reduced
> > by electronic voting and electronic debate we can all contribute to.
> > I want to stop professional privilege and obscene wages and fees.  I
> > want to change the employment relationship so that jobs are guaranteed
> > (with some safeguards about scrote behaviour) so that employers really
> > have an interest in making jobs worthwhile .. and no doubt more.  I
> > don't want this as some kind of utopia - I want it based on what we
> > know of human nature, not some dreaming dross about harmony.  And
> > more.  Given I don't even hear any of this under discussion, whatever
> > this democracy is, it ain't about what I want.  This would be OK as
> > I'm not very selfish, if at least there was dialogue.  There ain't.
>
> > Dialogue is broadly stopped by people who have already made up their
> > minds on very little information.  Action is stopped because we can't
> > try genuinely new ways because the current system is assumed to work
> > and anything else won't.  We could do better and we could be trying
> > smaller changes in our public sectors and new industries.
>
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