I agree and I don't agree.. in mans limited view it weold appear that he is the top dog or the the centre of creation.. but but what appears is not always the truth. From my view I see the Father Creator (God) as the centre of creation simply because he creates (on going process) the entirety of universe form his own essence. Allan
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > Being an American, not irish really (except a little Mc-Murray blood) > I should say considering the temperament and history, first england > then the US, no wonder they drink. > > We are conscious, and self aware but what are the boundaries of this? > I agree with Slip that our conceptions of God are very > anthropocentric, if we encountered a super-intelligence would it be so > alien that we disregard it? Would it be discernable from what we call > 'nature'? The line of a circle looks very straight at a narrow focus. > > And if we are a part, perhaps we are the manifestation of volition, > motive and choice in a grand evolving process. In creation and > discovery, manifesting potentials in that process of ascension we > descend to the infinitesimal unit from which will spring gods seeking > supergods. Just a narrative, no offense to anyone but I do think > someday all this atheism vs theism will become obsolete one > indiscernible from the other. > > -Ash > > On Mar 27, 12:38 pm, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > You are probably right about the Killian's Slip. I read that; When > > asked, 'what seperated a drunk from an Irishman?' Eriugena replied, > > 'Only a table.' > > > > On Mar 26, 11:12 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Maybe he was drinking a bit of Killians Red when he wrote that. It > > > is very contradictory because he believed all things were a reflection > > > of God, a part of God and that sooner or later all will find a way to > > > the promised land. He doesn't start out contradictory in saying we > > > don't know "What" God is, which more so seems to be an admission. > > > Also I think he is stating that on account that he thinks God is not a > > > consciousness it would be improbable that God would even know what he > > > is because he is not aware of himself. As a result of that state of > > > existence God transcends being and so he draws the conclusion that > > > only beings can be, therefore God is not. This basically points to > > > the saying "I think therefore I am" which conversely implies "I don't > > > think therefore I am not" to which I would add a question mark. I > > > think therefore I am and I don't think therefore I am not? This is > > > the enigma in that train of thought. However, I would conclude that > > > there are things that don't think that exist. Much exists without > > > consciousness but of course there are those who would argue that those > > > things only exist through consciousness to which I would insist that > > > we are only conscious of their prior and independent existence. I > > > would think that those arguments are based upon anthropocentric views > > > which ultimately don't hold the water because no one can prove that > > > the universe is dependent on consciousness or that it only exists due > > > to consciousness. > > > > > On Mar 26, 2:46 pm, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > "We do not know what God is. God himself doesn't know what He is > > > > because He is not anything. Literally God is not, because He > > > > transcends being."-Johanness Scottus Eriugena > > > > > > I find this statement very contradictory in my puny finite brain > > > > especialy coming from Eriugena. It seems to me that God would > > > > exemplify or epidamize being. Perhaps this is one for the athiest?- > Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > -- ( ) I_D Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
