Hah then we agree, Yes the man commited crime for which he must pay the price. No TV, No playstation, No internet, but the fact that he is a criminal does not un-human him and so we should care for his needs as a disabled man.
On 9 Apr, 04:52, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > Here is the thing Don. > > > Yes he is now disabled and in need of health care. Should he be > > denied it because he is a criminal? > > Like you say, it's probably more punishment to keep him alive as long as > possible. Feed him, clean him, give him meds and turn him so he doesn't get > bed sores etc. But no computer, no internet, no interesting tv. -(put it on > BBC or something equally as bone numbingly boring) and so forth. So. My > answer is he should not be denied healthcare. ;-D > > dj > > > > > On 8 Apr, 14:09, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > He needs his access to the internet restricted. He can still do plenty > > of > > > damage if given free rein on this medium. Keep the slime bag locked up. > > > He'd still be a burden on society if you cut him loose. We'd have to > > > provide transportation, nurse care, blah, blah, blah. The best place for > > > him is locked up. > > > > dj > > > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Drafterman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Not sure how on topic this is, but consider the following thought > > > > experiment: > > > > > A man commits a series of various heinous and grevious crimes (murder, > > > > rape, etc), such that he gets life in prison (though parole is not off > > > > the table). > > > > > During his imprisonment, a confrontation with a fellow inmate results > > > > in the man becoming paralyzed from the neck down. > > > > > At his parole, one of the primary considerations is how much of a > > > > threat the man poses to society. As a quadriplegic, he poses minimal > > > > threat. He is, however, completely unrepentant about his crime and his > > > > state of mind is still that of a viscious killer. > > > > > Another consideration is that, above and beyond the cost to society of > > > > keeping someone imprisoned for life, he now has intense medical care > > > > that the state must absorb. > > > > > With these considerations, should he be released on parole? > > > > > The core of this lies in the philosophical underpinnings of > > > > incarceration. Is the primary function of prison to punish? To > > > > rehabilitate? To simply isolate society from dangerous elements? > > > > > It seems clear that rehabilitation is off the table. Furthermore, it > > > > seems unlikely that prison would provide more punishment then him > > > > simply being paralyzed. In fact, if released he would have to account > > > > for his own medical costs, probably resulting in worse care. Being > > > > free may be more punishing tham keeping him in prison where he has > > > > guaranteed medical care, shelter and food. As a quadriplegic, he is > > > > also a minimal threat to society. (I say minimal because such people > > > > have managed to commit crimes, but the rate is as probably as low as > > > > you are going to get for any person). > > > > > I feel this situation reveals an underlying paradox. In most > > > > situations, people would espouse the utilitarian aspect of prison: it > > > > reduces harm to society by acting as a deterrant through the threat > > > > and enactment of punishment, isolating threats from society, and > > > > rehabilitating people so they are less of a threat if and when they > > > > reenter society. > > > > > What is often underplayed is the emotional aspect. If a person shows > > > > genuine remorse at a crime committed, they are generally treated as > > > > being less of a threat. This makes sense since not all crimes are acts > > > > of malice. A person that genuinely feels guilt *is* less of a threat > > > > and should be treated as such. But this association remains valid only > > > > when there is a tie between a person's mindset and their ability to > > > > commit a crime. When that tie is severed, a person's emotional state > > > > no longer represents their potential to be threatening and can no > > > > longer be used in this manner. The paradox arises from the fact that > > > > most people would continue to use emotional state as requirement for > > > > release and would recoil at letting an unrepentent killer be freed > > > > from prison. > > > > > Notes: > > > > > This situation is an based on an actual case - > > > >http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/documents/C061031.PDFthoughsome > > > > elements have been generalized for this philosophical exercise. To > > > > summarize the actual case, the prisoner was attemtping to involve a > > > > special statute that allows prisoners to be released under > > > > "compassionate" consideration if certain conditions apply (terminal > > > > illness, medically incapacitated or otherwise no longer a threat due > > > > to medical condition). The parole board denied the claim under the > > > > ruling that quadriplegics can still pose a threat, as evidenced by > > > > several intances they were able to find. A court overturned that > > > > ruling on the basis that, on a long enough time line you can find > > > > instances of anyone being a threat and the statute does not require > > > > that a person be no threat what-so-ever. 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