I metioned the unison of a symphony orchestra Friday- Berlioz- Symphonie fantastique- and there are numerous other examples from the arts and various civilizations where mankind has cooperated in a postive manner however you are correct in that this same energy can be diverted to evil designs and purposes. Even on a much smaller scale, you can trace this positive/negative energy at play in relationships of two, of family, of various groups. And, of course, of the individual self.
On Apr 19, 5:31 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 16 Apr, 21:57, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > No, actually I was referring to the "thing that should unite us all". > > But since this is a Molly thread, I will make all your dark energy > > bounce off into nothingness. :-) > > Ahh, I see, the thing which should unite us all is 'a common good'. > That would be great, if humanity could define what said 'common good' > is. It may take a 'common enemy' to force that issue. Nothing more > human than to be brought together by a love that is, in essence, a > hate or distrust truly felt by everyone. Yet, sadly(!?), no such > thing yet exists. Although there are religious prophecies regarding > such a thing, they've yet to materialise. > > Oh...and...BOING!!!! ;-) > > > > > On 16 Apr., 18:18, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 16 Apr, 16:59, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I once thought children would qualify for "common good", but I had to > > > > learn to correct myself. > > > > Yes, Jon Venables is a case-in-point. Certainly was/is common, but no > > > good. > > > > > On 16 Apr., 15:22, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Yes gabby, I agree that it needs to be broken up or deconstructed and > > > > > reconstructed, that is why I used the figure of putting "a match to > > > > > the straw". The point being made is exactly like you say; "who has the > > > > > right..." and the answer is no one. The fact though is that it is > > > > > about social classes and retaining wealth, old money and new money. It > > > > > has been this way throughout history. When someone uses a phrase like > > > > > that I have to question the intent in doing so. What Pat says is valid > > > > > to me but not for everyone. Having said that I realize that there are > > > > > vast differences in "what unites us" or at least the perception of > > > > > such. One thing that should unite us all is concern for the common > > > > > good, however, by means of rhetoric, the many are fooled by the few. > > > > > > On Apr 16, 4:53 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > And who has the right to define what the whatever basis for whatever > > > > > > comparison is? Nah, there is noway out other than breaking up this > > > > > > political construct "what unites us is" into its active and its > > > > > > passive aspect. Breaking it down it could mean to move and search > > > > > > for > > > > > > people you have more in common with than what seperates you and > > > > > > learn > > > > > > to avoid the BS preachers. Hello @Lee, I'm right with you! :-) > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 3:52 pm, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > While I agree very much with what you are trying to say here > > > > > > > arch, I > > > > > > > cannot help but default to the position that if those who make it > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the top of the proverbial pole remember where they come from and > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > commited to the greater good then we are united. Those who have > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > roots in the aristocracy have no basis for comparison as they are > > > > > > > where they came from. So an individual coming up out of the dross > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > learn to validate his/her self through communication by means of > > > > > > > ideal > > > > > > > linguistics and having a better argument. Aside from the trivial, > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > individual does not forget the struggles of getting where they > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > be in order to have an impact. There is, I shall assume, much > > > > > > > alienation involved in 'becoming someone'. I shall also assume > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > those who have no basis for comparison use phrases like “What > > > > > > > unites > > > > > > > us is > > > > > > > greater than what divides us!” a means to relate/appeal to the > > > > > > > masses. > > > > > > > But we are not all blind and throughout history have been known > > > > > > > to put > > > > > > > a match to the straw. > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 7:41 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Habermas wrote a lot on a communicative action in the lifeworld > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > unites us, but also on the pathological system that tends to > > > > > > > > subsume > > > > > > > > this. Our neighbours gave us some brioche yesterday, saying > > > > > > > > it's just > > > > > > > > what people do at Easter in Bulgaria. We have lost nearly all > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > space Molly - I'd call it the 'hayrick time'. Such stuff has > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > taxed and 'efficiency-gained' to death. Christianity has become > > > > > > > > Xtianity, not something to be part of in collective action but > > > > > > > > bought > > > > > > > > and watched. The wrong habits have been broken. Even in China > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > are bull-dozing ordinary communities to build more of the new > > > > > > > > dross > > > > > > > > that makes money for a few. It may well be hard to talk of what > > > > > > > > unities us because power has taught us to be silent in some > > > > > > > > very nasty > > > > > > > > ways. 'Affluence in privacy' may well have destroyed us, our > > > > > > > > 'farewell from the working class' (old books now). > > > > > > > > We have grim warnings about returns to 'year zero' in history, > > > > > > > > yet > > > > > > > > something even in this may well be why we can't talk about > > > > > > > > unity - > > > > > > > > because it is something to leave behind, rise above and succeed > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > leaving, by greasing our way up the pole of hierarchy. All our > > > > > > > > political messages are about this, a success that leaves one on > > > > > > > > top of > > > > > > > > others to be forgotten, yet abused as losers. > > > > > > > > > On 5 Apr, 13:17, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I suppose if what unites us will outlive what divides us, it > > > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > the greater. It does seem easier to identify what divides > > > > > > > > > us, than > > > > > > > > > what unites us - including the "no." Finding identity in > > > > > > > > > not-me - or > > > > > > > > > "no" is part of human development, albiet an immature part. > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2:33 am, vamadevananda <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > What unites us, the ' thing,' may seem more conceptual than > > > > > > > > > > real. But > > > > > > > > > > it would outlive the divisive trivia and arch over > > > > > > > > > > conflicting > > > > > > > > > > ambitions. To that extent, it's more real than the trivia > > > > > > > > > > and the > > > > > > > > > > ambitions. > > > > > > > > > > > We do choose to size and prioritise our own realities, > > > > > > > > > > though ! > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 11:14 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree politicians are not interested in a united front > > > > > > > > > > > only in the trivia > > > > > > > > > > > that divides.. > > > > > > > > > > > > the one for all and all for one has fallen by the > > > > > > > > > > > wayside it seems that > > > > > > > > > > > politicians are not interested in what makes the world > > > > > > > > > > > strong only in what > > > > > > > > > > > allows them to plunder mankind.. > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see signs of man waking up soon ,, unless this is > > > > > > > > > > > a sign of the call > > > > > > > > > > > for arms/ > > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 2:25 AM, archytas > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The answer currently seems to be 'no' Molly. Trivia is > > > > > > > > > > > > being raised > > > > > > > > > > > > to heightened levels to divide us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5 Apr, 00:24, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > "All for one and one for all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > United we stand, divided we fall." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure these sentiments have been around 10's of > > > > > > > > > > > > > thousands of years. > > > > > > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe it's all about is survival. And when that > > > > > > > > > > > > > is taken for granted > > > > > > > > > > > > > then we unite for prosperity. Ambition unites us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Molly > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a phrase that I think is important, but is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overused and well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on its way to becoming a cliché and that is: “What > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unites us is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greater than what divides us!” President John F. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kennedy used it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his 1961 address to Canadian Parliament: “Geography > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has made us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neighbors. History has made us friends. Economics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has made us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > partners. And necessity has made us allies. Those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whom nature hath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so joined together, let no man put asunder. What > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unites us is far > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greater than what divides us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The current US President, Barack Obama also used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the idea in his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speech this past Martin Luther King Junior Day: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “through times of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great challenge and great change, we have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remembered that fundamental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > American truth - that what unites us is always more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > powerful than what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divides us.” > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the idea is not strictly American, as the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Secretary-General of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > United Nations, Ban Ki-moon has recently used it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two different > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speeches. First, in April of 2009, in his address > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the Alliance of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civilizations forum in Istanbul, “What unites is so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > powerful it could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > easily overcome what divides us.” Next, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > November of 2009 in his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speech to the Summit of Religious and Secular > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leaders on Climate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Change in London, “We are united by the belief that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what unites us as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > human beings is stronger than what divides us.” > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it that unites us all? Is it greater than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what divides us? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do YOU think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You received this message > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
