Hi Slip Disc! So, you think that God is only fantasy; but my friend, we all live and we are all part of God life force, because wherever you see life you see a little part of God. Now, do you see yourself as part of God? Or what do you think you fit in, in your own understanding of, God and I relationship. Let us see your answer to this whether you agree that to describe God it is complicated or not.
On May 1, 3:17 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree that God is very complicated to describe or > understand him....<MFE > > Very complicated because a massive complexity has to be assigned to > something that is simply in the mind. > > Key word in your sentence is "him" meaning "human attribute" of a > fantasy. > > On Apr 29, 5:54 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Pat and others, I agree that God is very complicated to describe or > > understand him/it fully; but looking at what is being said in this > > thread I feel that I am still on the right track as I see God; since I > > see God everywhere and we live within God life force and are part of > > God. > > Some of you are saying that this thread is getting us nowhere; I > > have to disagree with that statement, in fact I say that most of you > > agree that God is energy, so it has been very useful for me to know. > > Now, all remains is the fact that we need to be able to show how this > > God-energy fits in the past, present and future; Here Pat may have an > > answer, as he might be able to link everything together. I also have > > my own theory which I hope to be able to write it down one day; but > > that is still so far away. Anyhow I have learned a lot from this > > thread, thanks very much. See you next time. > > > On Apr 27, 9:50 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 26 Apr, 22:48, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi everybody! > > > > This thread for me is just great, as it seems to describe God in a way > > > > that even the atheist may accept and it is more or less just as I see > > > > God. Just to say my own personal views I am going to describe my God > > > > for you thus: > > > > God may well be the positive-life-energy that exists in the whole > > > > universe; therefore, God is life and life is God himself and one > > > > cannot exist without the other. We should believe in God, because if > > > > God is not there, there is no life and we are all dead. What do you > > > > think? Do you think I maybe right about it? > > > > My regards to everyone > > > > Manfraco > > > > Well, it's a bit more complicated than that. If we equate energy (be > > > that positive or negative or matter/antimatter) with 'the substance of > > > God', that is, the 'stuff' that God is made of, then everything that > > > exists is made of that God-originating substance. That is my view on > > > it. If we deny that energy exists, we're idiots, because it does. > > > The question is: Is that energy somehow joined and, if so, how and > > > where? These are the bases for my theory and I show how and where the > > > energy is joined. Once that energy is 'unified' or, more precisely, > > > shown to be undivided, then we can discuss that energy as a 'whole'. > > > And that 'whole' is everywhere energy is, throughout all of space- > > > time, therefore omnipresent. That energy is, because it is joined > > > (or, rather, never divided in the first place!), only one entity made > > > of energy. That entity is the only actor in the system and is, > > > therefore, omnipotent. Irrespective of the exact mechanisms involved > > > in consciousness, if there is only one, indivisible actor in the > > > system, then ALL consciousness is retained by that entity, therefore, > > > that entity is omniscient. Thus, the entity is omnipresent, > > > omnipotent and omniscient, fulfilling the three basic requirements for > > > deity. That's how I get from describing a particular configuration of > > > energy (which could be viewed in an atheistic fashion) yet it leads > > > one to a deistic paradigm, once one has realised that 'the > > > configuration that energy has taken' actually defines itself AS God by > > > virtue of it maintaining the three required attributes of deity. > > > > > On Apr 26, 9:44 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 25 Apr, 16:38, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > God may or may not be conscious. Some of us are conscious and we > > > > > > would like to think that someone consciously designed us rather > > > > > > than to imagine we may be designed by convergence not by conscious > > > > > > creation. If however, However if indeed God is conscious - as some > > > > > > of us are conscious - then we are able to make choices. The choices > > > > > > we cannot avoid making are those choices that have to do with the > > > > > > necessity of solving problems of daily living. The best choices are > > > > > > those that are derived from making informed decisions. Informed > > > > > > decisions are derived from applying critical thinking which also > > > > > > include contributions of the heart, and soul. > > > > > > A God that is not conscious could not be omniscient. A God that is > > > > > omniscient is not conscious in the same way that we are, as we are not > > > > > omniscient. God cannot tire, as He is Omnipotent, therefore, He > > > > > requires no rest, again, unlike our form of consciousness that > > > > > requires rest. Whilst there are similarities, there are vast > > > > > differences. Likeness is not equality, therefore, when it is said we > > > > > are created in His likeness, do not expect that our existence is, in > > > > > any way, equal to His. Rather, our existence is 'like' His in certain > > > > > respects, but completely unlike in others. A careful consideration of > > > > > the three qualities of omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence (both > > > > > transcendant and immanent) are required to make a proper analysis. > > > > > The choices that we cannot avoid making are those that are events that > > > > > are extant in the space-time continuum, all others simply will nor > > > > > occur and you will never experience them. If you experience > > > > > something, then you know that it was always a part of the continuum > > > > > and you know (albeit after the fact!!) that it was necessary. > > > > > > > The capability and the ability to make informed decisions also > > > > > > implies the right and I think the responsibility of every person to > > > > > > dissent from those opinions which are deemed ill informed. This > > > > > > means that whatever we call God is not the final authority with > > > > > > respect to what is ultimately considered to be in each persons best > > > > > > interest. > > > > > > Rather, God is the final authority irrespective of our views OF said > > > > > deity, by the necessity of the defining quality of omnipotence. > > > > > Otherwise, you must assume that you have some authority that God does > > > > > not and THAT is incompatible with omnipotence. > > > > > > > The long winded point I am trying to make is that with respect to > > > > > > whatever data is singled out - i.e. God, unity - consciousness - > > > > > > each person brings something of himself (consciously or > > > > > > unconsciously) in interpreting what those concepts means to him or > > > > > > her. Thus each person ultimately is his own final authority. Thank > > > > > > God. > > > > > > Nicely put, yet you will answer to an omnipotent entity--if, of > > > > > course, said entity exists. But, its existence is NOT dependent upon > > > > > our views, as our data is greatly lacking and His, of course, due to > > > > > His omniscience, is full and complete down to the quantum state of the > > > > > entire continuum. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: pol.science kid <[email protected]> > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Sent: Sun, Apr 25, 2010 9:37 am > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: God and I > > > > > > > but they cannot survive in isolation can they... > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:12 AM, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Energy leads to action, God to consciousness. One is effort, the > > > > > > other > > > > > > is knowledge. Body without consciousness is mud, Life without spirit > > > > > > is incomprehensible. > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 8:15 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > God is neither he nor she..pure energy thats all..and that is wat > > > > > > > flows through every one of us..and will flow after our time is > > > > > > > done..we are it.. it is us... > > > > > > > > On Apr 21, 9:23 am, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > God is pure consciousness, formless, unborn, eternal, > > > > > > > > indestructible > > > > > > > > and the source, the spirit and the end of all. We are > > > > > > > > conscious, have > > > > > > > > a form, are born, live and die. Our only solace is that we > > > > > > > > arise from > > > > > > > > him, are upheld by him and go back to him. 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