On 7 May, 05:04, Ash <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 5/6/2010 2:29 PM, vamadevananda wrote:> Charity, as the word signifies, is 
> a Christian concept that drives
> > away people, even kind and well-meaning ones !  That ' giving for
> > another's sake ' leaves people fearful and so dissatisfied because
> > there are so many that need and are forever there to take. On top of
> > it, if you are being pushed or shamed into doing it because it is the
> > expected thing ... would be a horribly destabilising practice to
> > perpetuate.
>
> > The ' giving for one's own sake ' is another paradigm ... as and only
> > as much as I feel I must, even judge when and to whom, in accord with
> > whatever my values and calling ... because I want to !
>
> Would this then represent yet another paradox: selfish means for
> selfless ends? Kidding. The daring thing that some allude to is that in
> order to beat game theory the practice of the principle (recognizing it
> is in our own best interest, sowing virtue) has to pass a threshold in
> both quality and quantity. What you propose, and I agree, should be the
> fundamental basis and is qualitative. As principle is undermined by
> necessity, it is a luxury. That does not negate the principle though,
> and pursuit of it may provide us an indication of 'leaky' reductions of
> situations and pre-assessment. Adding my take on it, I think this is
> implied with '...in accord with whatever my values and calling ...
> because I want to !'
>
> Either way it does appear to sustain the evolutionary model by avoiding
> self destructive traits. We could argue that it is indeed how people
> apply the principle in practice and mold the 'rules' or select the
> 'scriptures' that are potent to it. Now, how to refactor the zero-sum
> game the world is playing? Creative potential might be sustenance, but
> the threshold will require ignition or unifying vision. I hope we can
> find that by choice... I retain the hope that the majority of people are
> waiting for something, an indication or ignition, that we may not know
> what looks or sounds like but is fundamental and natural to what we are.

Perhaps altruism in a monistic paradigm?  The zero-sum game is a
result of the conservation of energy--even if that energy is emotional/
mental.  I'm hoping that my book will offer that 'ignition' of wich
you speak.  Even though I know that, in some areas, it will actually
be ignited itself.  Ahhh, critics.  ;-)

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