vamadevanand,
Your nickname suggests that you are conversant with certain terms
from Hindu philosophy. So, my direction will be quite clear to you :
Absolute Truth means परम तत्त्व. Instead of using the term God, I will
use the term Almighty so that it will sound like an entity which is
not tied down to any particular religion. The relation between
Almighty & प्रकृती is described as :
मयाध्यक्षेण प्रकृतिः सूयते स चराचरम्
हेतुनानेन कौन्तेय जगद्विपरिवर्तते
(I have uploaded some related stuff on my blogspace at
http://samirsp.blogspot.com Your comments, suggestions, criticism are
welcome.)
On May 17, 7:17 pm, vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
> Perhaps, since FF seems intent on garnering subscribers to Absolute
> Truth and God, which can explain all events in the system, our first
> questions to him might be :
>
> What is the Absolute Truth ? What or Who is God ? A para or two, in
> terms we could appreciate, without going out of " line with logic,
> reason or common sense."
>
> On May 17, 4:01 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Okay now we seem to have here a thesist with Fidds syndrome(applogise
> > to you Fidds, but you know what I mean), whihc in itself is rather
> > strange and marveolouse.
>
> > I hope the general slagging off has now finiished, so let me be the
> > first to say, FF welcome to ME.
>
> > Now what's the point of this thread, what is it that you wish to
> > discuss? Coz honeslty I'm with Slippy here, this just looks like a
> > disjointed stream of data to me, can you help us to clarify it?
>
> > On 17 May, 11:39, Fiercely Free <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On May 16, 7:26 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:> The ball of
> > > elaboration is in your court, this is your thread. You
> > > > are making broad statements without saying much.
>
> > > > You see agnostics as having a "problem" because you have anchored
> > > > yourself within your personal set of beliefs that you consider
> > > > truths.
>
> > > I have already mentioned that there is nothing personal about TRUTH &
> > > that is what the term "Absolute Truth" means. It is absolute in every
> > > respect. It neither depends upon my personal beliefs nor upon the
> > > collective opinion of masses. For example, a herd of zombies can go on
> > > shouting that Evolution Theory is a scientific theory. But only your
> > > strong urge to unearth the Truth will tell you that there is no
> > > evidence whatsoever to prove the absurd claims made in that silly
> > > theory. This also means that you can't project something unreasonable
> > > as Absolute Truth. Anything that is not in line with logic, reason or
> > > common sense will NOT be recognized as Absolute Truth. Having a strong
> > > scientific temper is minimum requirement to understand Absolute Truth.
> > > So, agnostic should NOT be under the impression that they are the
> > > whole & sole defenders of scientific temper. What you know in the
> > > field of tangible science is already known to today's gnostics. In
> > > addition, gnostics know something which appears to be of abstract
> > > nature to many agnostics.
>
> > > > While issues can be linked to each other they can also be explored
> > > > individually.
>
> > > > I don't see the thread going anywhere other than reaching levels of
> > > > redundancy without resolution.
>
> > > When agnostics reject the existence of "Absolute Truth", they do
> > > so without knowing anything about that term. How can you reject
> > > something about which you know nothing ? It is this "Absolute Truth"
> > > which can throw light upon the seemingly inexplicable force behind
> > > uncertainties around us. But your urge to deny the existence of God
> > > simply prompts you to reject the very existence of any such
> > > inexplicable force. Your approach Is very much in line with the
> > > mindset of determinists. In that case you cannot reject Hegel's
> > > statement that History develops as per the logical plan. So, should I
> > > assume that you accept Hegel's views regarding development of
> > > history ?
>
> > > > I'm with Albert Einstein below.
>
> > > > Borrowed FROM:
> > > > Molly Brogan Thread May 26, 2008
>
> > > > According to Plato: When the mind's eye rests on objects illuminated
> > > > by truth and reality, it understands and comprehends them, and
> > > > functions intelligently; but when it turns to the twilight world of
> > > > change and decay, it can only form opinions, its vision is confused
> > > > and its beliefs shifting, and it seems to lack intelligence. (Plato,
> > > > Republic)
>
> > > It is obvious that any philosophy must be capable of explaining
> > > ALL the events that take place in the system in which we exist.
>
> > > > To Spinoza, ultimate truth is the ultimate reality of a rationally
> > > > ordered system that is God.
>
> > > > To Hegel, truth is a rationally integrated
> > > > system in which everything is contained.
>
> > > > To Einstein, “the truth of
> > > > the Universe is human truth.”
>
> > > > Read More @
>
> > > >http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye/browse_thread/thread/8531f4e...
>
> > > > On May 16, 6:37 am, Fiercely Free <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 16, 11:02 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:> Thank You!
>
> > > > > > I understand it all very well and did not discredit anything.
>
> > > > > > I simply recognized a multi-faceted post which needs clarification
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > some specifics.
>
> > > > > Only a multi-faceted post can clearly highlight the wholistic
> > > > > approach.> Truth IS that Truth is highly subjective even in the sense
> > > > > of
> > > > > > absolutism, somewhat like absolute "fact".
>
> > > > > Calling Truth as subjective matter is part of empiricism. Our
> > > > > perception about Reality can be quite different from Absolute Truth.
> > > > > That doesn't mean Absolute Truth does not exist.> The Wow really
> > > > > belongs as a pertinence to your own opening thread
> > > > > > which covers several issues.
>
> > > > > All the isues covered in that post are linked to each other. You
> > > > > cannot separate one from the other.> We've covered the truth issue
> > > > > here many times before so you might
> > > > > > consider searching the Minds Eye archives.
>
> > > > > The problem with agnostics is that they cannot see anything beyond
> > > > > public opinion or collective opinion. Truth can be (& most of the
> > > > > times it is) different from collective opinion.
>
> > > > > > Have a good e-space night!
>
> > > > > Now again the e-space illusion has come into picture. We are from
> > > > > different time zones. What is night for you is a day for me in
> > > > > India...
>
> > > > > > On May 15, 8:53 pm, Fiercely Free <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Wow ! Discrediting anything that you do not understand is a
> > > > > > > typical
> > > > > > > agnostic position. Your comment, Slip Disc, is quite in line with
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > position.
>
> > > > > > > On May 16, 4:58 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:> You are
> > > > > > > presenting layers upon layers upon layers of thread topic
> > > > > > > > here; kinda like sporadic inputs generated by a frenetic thought
> > > > > > > > process.
>
> > > > > > > > Break it down and address a single aspect of the rant so we can
> > > > > > > > respond specifically to a individual point.
>
> > > > > > > > I would have to suggest that you start with your personal
> > > > > > > > understanding of what "Truth" is.
>
> > > > > > > There is nothing personal about "TRUTH". That's what the term
> > > > > > > "Absolute Truth" means. It is ABSOLUTE in every respect....>You
> > > > > > > obviously are already biased in the sense of what truth is and
> > > > > > > further anchor your understanding in
> > > > > > > > theistic principles which don't hold much water other than that
> > > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > fanaticism towards another fantasy belief system out of the
> > > > > > > > hundreds
> > > > > > > > of deity fantasies out there.
>
> > > > > > > What is the basis for your assumption that my understanding about
> > > > > > > TRUTH is anchored in theistic principles ? Are you sure that you
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > not mixing-up theistic principles with the procedures of some
> > > > > > > organised religions like western theistic religions (such as
> > > > > > > Cristianity, Judaism or Islam) ?
>
> > > > > > > > Why don't you try getting with reality?
>
> > > > > > > > On May 15, 12:06 pm, Fiercely Free <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > This is with reference to Hollywood film "Adventures of
> > > > > > > > > Priscila,
> > > > > > > > > Queen of Desert".
> > > > > > > > > While explaining the system around us, Hegel used the
> > > > > > > > > terms "Real
> > > > > > > > > Reality" & "Apparent Reality". By analyzing Hegel's opinion
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > history develops as per the logical plan, we can say, "Hegel
> > > > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > > mistaken apparent reality for real reality". What he called
> > > > > > > > > as real
> > > > > > > > > reality was actually the determinists' zone. Though he
> > > > > > > > > claimed to have
> > > > > > > > > traversed the entire field, it is quite clear that Hegel
> > > > > > > > > could not see
> > > > > > > > > the endpoint of the desert shown in the abovementioned
> > > > > > > > > Hollywood
> > > > > > > > > film.
> > > > > > > > > "The new world order" system (a combination of Snob
> > > > > > > > > society &
> > > > > > > > > Republic society) which is in place for the last 44 years, is
> > > > > > > > > precisely the same nonscientific racist nonsense which was
> > > > > > > > > overthrown
> > > > > > > > > by Europe during Age of Reason. (Here, the term racism means
> > > > > > > > > a nexus
> > > > > > > > > between forward racism upper cocks & reverse racism
> > > > > > > > > uppercocks.)
> > > > > > > > > Racists' urge to project themselves as limit of manliness,
> > > > > > > > > prompts
> > > > > > > > > them to label Queens of desert as eunuchs. Just look at the
> > > > > > > > > list of
> > > > > > > > > eunuchs prepared by these racist morons & you will be proud
> > > > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > > > Queen of desrt -- Mozes, Hegel, Hitler, Alexander, Hanuman (a
> > > > > > > > > monkey
> > > > > > > > > headed God from Hindu mythology)... almost anyone who doesn't
> > > > > > > > > want to
> > > > > > > > > deviate from TRUTH gets labeld as eunuch by these mediocre
> > > > > > > > > racists.
> > > > > > > > > Apart from cowardice & inefficiency, there is nothing in the
> > > > > > > > > genes of
> > > > > > > > > these racists. These are the stupid talkative extroverts who
> > > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > running hither & thither when Hitler's battletanks were
> > > > > > > > > chasing them.
> > > > > > > > > These are the great soldiers who ditched Alexander for
> > > > > > > > > gaining favours
> > > > > > > > > from Dariyas.
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