Vam , can you imagine God consciously moving the Earth around the Sun day in day out. But there are laws which result in this revolutions endlessly. Can you imagine God coursing blood in our viens endlessly. There are laws which result in such actions. Further can you imagine God consciously making us act in accordance with His Will , no there are other laws because of which we act in specific ways. We are aware of pain and pleasure , that is why I say that there is a Spirit behind it all. If other people think differently it doesn't matter. There are muslims , Hindus , Christians Sikhs , Jews and others all think differently. There are atheists also. I am not an athiest but I think differently. I don't see why I should not express my viewpoint even if according to the majority it is wrong. To my understanding I am correct in thinking what I do and like all others presenting it to others for their perusal. They may not agree with me but that's alright.
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 9:43 AM, vamadevananda <[email protected]>wrote: > You know, RP, if you are terming the non -dual, witness - > consciousness - infinite, as God ... I would agree. Only because that > witness - consciousness can be discovered by everyone within oneself. > > But, let me narrate to you a context in Brihadaranyaka Upanishad : At > one of the periodic gathering that King Janaka was wont to organise in > his palace, the winner of philosophical discourse was to take away > several thousands of cattle and horses. The description states that > someone asked Yagyavalkya about Hiranyagarbha, which is God, the > cosmic embryo in its subtlest state. > And Yagyavalkya replied : Since you ask of such unmanifest Being, that > is your own mother being by several levels, which you do not know and > which should therefore not be conjectured about, your head will fall > down. > > Needless to say, the head of the one who did not know fell on the > ground, and Yagyavalkya walked away with the prize animals ! The > moral being, do not conjecture about matters and things about which we > have no basis or capacity to project. Those who have had clearly > understood God - experience may speak of them but even they may not be > free to pronounce their definitive and closed view of God, because he > may be quite another to another person, to himself, and as he is. > > On May 30, 8:51 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > It is simply a matter of deductions and logic. If there is law and order > > everywhere in the universe it follows that the creator is not doing > things > > as we are doing consciously all the time , rather the universe emanates > > without conscious effort on the part of God and is simply an unfolding of > > the mind of God or you may say that the unmanifest is becoming manifest. > > Further consciousness entails two , the observer and the observed which > > makes the observer finite, whereas God has to be infinite , so it puts > him > > beyond duality, i.e. He is non-dual which further makes him occupied > within > > himself oblivious to all. We are here because he is there , thats all. > If > > we still revere Him , we are good. It further means that if he were not , > we > > also would not have been. > > > > On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 6:39 AM, frantheman <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 30 Mai, 05:51, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > God does not incarnate himself , nor does he talk to messengers and > > > > prophets. He remains in a state of supreme and eternal bliss. > > > > > Whille I agree with you totally, RP, about virtue being preferably due > > > to a humanitarian mindset, I am curious about how you know such things > > > about God ... particularly if, as you say, he/she doesn't talk to > > > messengers and prophets. > > > > > Francis >
