Hey Rigsy, I'm not sure that I consider any thing as a spirtual necessity myself? Mr Taoist Shaman, has said this not I.
On Mar 24, 8:40 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > We can also misunderstand ourselves- or the larger picture- at times. > > The sword need not be of metal- as I think you would agree. ( The pen > is mightier... but so are well-aimed words in certain situations.) > > As for the obligation to transform thoughts to deeds- such as an > inspiration for a painting or poem or even mild fancy into an affair, > etc.- why do you consider this a spiritual necessity? On the other > hand, "brother- you can't go to jail for what you're thinkin' "- > except there was a category of Catholic sins that preached otherwise. > > On Mar 23, 4:31 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Hey Doug, > > > Indeed! Also although I think it highly comendable(a function or my > > own morality) to endevour to live your life is such a way as to seek > > to cause no harm to others, it is I think virtualy impossible to > > actualy live that kind of life. > > > As you point what is harmfull, and lets face it what is harm if not a > > moral measure, will inevitably change from person to person. Does it > > do more harm than good to meet the violence meted out by a bully with > > violence of your own for example? My personal stance on this marries > > up nicely with my faiths dogma on the subject. To whit: 'When all else > > has failed it is right to pick up the sword'. > > > Other will disagree. > > > Also every action we take and every word we utter has the capacity, > > and large one at that I would argue, to be misunderstood and > > misinterprted. > > > However as I say a laudable idea. > > > On Mar 22, 6:41 pm, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Ahh Binah, > > > "Maybe sometimes it > > > is better to do something than to do nothing at all for fear of > > > screwing up." > > > > Yes sometimes it is worth taking the risk these days and other times > > > not so much! Truly, if it is in your heart to do so and is well with > > > you to take action in spite of the ramifications, you should take it > > > provided you would not bring harm to yourself or others... And therein > > > lies the rub! first we would need to clearly define what "harm" is... > > > Lee makes a good example of another conversation we are having in a > > > different forum. A woman finds there is no harm in indocrinating her > > > toddler with religion but when put to others who have grown up in > > > similar religous environs, they found harm in it! > > > > On Mar 22, 1:37 pm, Binah Hochma <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > This turned out to be an interesting thread. I thought Bryan was just > > > > kinda introducing himself. > > > > Ash, I think each generation believes they are not as "bad" as the one > > > > coming up. Not that I disagree with you, just saying... > > > > Ornamentalmind, love the Fallacious Arguments website. > > > > Allan, it was much easier in my day to act on a "good thought" because > > > > we didn't have youtube and cell phones for the whole world to see. > > > > But didn't some of those actions help us to grow. Maybe sometimes it > > > > is better to do something than to do nothing at all for fear of > > > > screwing up. > > > > Binah > > > > > On Mar 22, 7:14 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hey Om! > > > > > > Naaaa mate that is not what I mean at all. > > > > > > This all goes back to Taoist shamans original assertion: > > > > > > 'If you have a good worthwhile productive thought , but take no > > > > > action > > > > > to bring it from your head to action , this lack of action is an > > > > > irresponsible action' > > > > > > I merely wished to point out that this stance is a product of Shamans > > > > > own morality and that as such it may not mirror others morality. > > > > > > On the surface it looks a great piece of advise but I for one can see > > > > > that not every one may agree with it. > > > > > > Not sure where you get this idea of stepping outside of reality, > > > > > indeed is that even possible? > > > > > And I do hope that you do not think that I am in someway restricting > > > > > or limiting how I think? > > > > > > On Mar 22, 10:54 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Yet Lee, using your own ‘logic’, does the apparent subjectivity of > > > > > > morality mean that we dare not express it nor by extension even live > > > > > > it? > > > > > > > To me, neither is the case. I find an innate morality and live and > > > > > > express it. > > > > > > > When one gets caught up on the notion of change over time, one steps > > > > > > outside of reality. While not suggesting that such a thought be > > > > > > ignored, using it to limit how one is/thinks seems to be mere folly > > > > > > to > > > > > > me. Such negation serves no function that I can ascertain. > > > > > > >http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#rhetorical_... > > > > > > > On Mar 22, 3:34 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > And there is the rub. > > > > > > > > Elsewhere we are having a sorta conversation with a seemingly nice > > > > > > > honest Christian girl who sees nowt wrong in indcotrianiting > > > > > > > children > > > > > > > into her faith. > > > > > > > > Morality, well a lot of it just aint shared and there is no > > > > > > > gareentee > > > > > > > that what I may say as a 'good thought' others will see in the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > light. > > > > > > > > My thoughts on those that serve in our armed forces at this > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > time in the sociaty I find myself living in do not marry up with a > > > > > > > great number of my peers, yet 40 years ago, would certianly have > > > > > > > done > > > > > > > so. Morality shifts not only from individual to individual but > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > same person from time to time. > > > > > > > > Who's to say that a 'good thought' acted upon then(and so > > > > > > > acording to > > > > > > > Taosit Shaman, a respnisble act) will not be deemed irrisponsible > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > some latter time? > > > > > > > > On Mar 22, 12:10 am, Mardi <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mar 21, 11:47 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A good thought may be just that a good thought .. as for no > > > > > > > > > action > > > > > > > > > sometimes a quick action is irresponsible, as well as no > > > > > > > > > action being a > > > > > > > > > irresponsible action. Caught between a rock and a hard > > > > > > > > > spot.. A lot of > > > > > > > > > times I feel and think that a good idea should be through > > > > > > > > > through,, and the > > > > > > > > > information stored,, there may come a time in life where > > > > > > > > > decisive action is > > > > > > > > > needed and required.. If a person has examined many ideas ane > > > > > > > > > though them > > > > > > > > > through,, you have done a lot of the work in creating a firm > > > > > > > > > foundation for > > > > > > > > > sound judgement. > > > > > > > > > > Let me see how does that go one step to the left then back > > > > > > > > > one step three to > > > > > > > > > the right four forward one to the left.. darn I forgot > > > > > > > > > again.. lol. > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > I thoroughly agree, Allan, in allowing a good thought to mature > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > establish itself and its place in my thinking before deciding > > > > > > > > how, > > > > > > > > when, where and why to take any action on it. But I'd go > > > > > > > > further to > > > > > > > > question whether every thought must be in some way associated > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > productivity and action. A beautiful flower garden has no "use" > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > "purpose". It produces nothing but contentment and a habitat > > > > > > > > for bugs > > > > > > > > and birds and such. Even more, a beautiful work of art also > > > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > require action nor does it produce any results - it's reason > > > > > > > > for being > > > > > > > > is simply because it exists. > > > > > > > > > And on a footnote - I'm not very good at keeping up with these > > > > > > > > conversations on a regular basis. 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