To ornamental mind, Sorry, made a mistake in editing. Should read 'reality exists independent of consciousness'.
On Mar 31, 8:46 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > Malcolm, many other than self proclaimed objectivists believe that > moral values can be analyzed logically. It has been so for many > thousands of years… at least. > > I’m not sure that Rand would suggest that ‘reality exists independent > from reality..’. > > However, to ‘get your head around’ her and her ilk, just change your > thinking to that of a current day Tea Party member…that is IF you can > get your head around that… > Of course, there would be little to nothing heard about said ‘party’ > if it weren’t for the paid propaganda and political activism (read: > manufactured movement) of the Koch Brothers. > > http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayerhttp://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/us/22koch.htmlhttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/21/947947/-The-Koch-Brothers-En... > > Here one runs into ‘might makes right’ quite quickly. > > On Mar 30, 11:35 pm, malcymo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I too believe that virtue and hence correctness are subjective. Also, > > as in the Taoist tradition morality can be paradoxical. Ayn Rand would > > disagree and hold that reality exists independent from reality, I > > believe that objectivists believe that moral values can be analysed > > logically ,,,,,,,, I can't get my head around that!. > > > On Mar 31, 11:24 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Even here, the more commonly held notions of 'virtue' differ and are > > > quite subjective. No, a dictionary most likely won't 'help'; however, > > > on the off chance that it will... > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue#Aristotle.27s_virtues > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue#The_Buddhist_tradition > > > > etc..... > > > > On Mar 30, 7:00 am, malcymo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Your third answer apeals to me as it involves a decision by you. > > > > > On Mar 31, 12:13 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > In truth this is what most of us would proably answer. Myself I > > > > > choose both my first and my second answer. > > > > > > On Mar 30, 6:38 am, malcymo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I would rather like to think that we can create a point. > > > > > > Ash seems to have. > > > > > > > On Mar 29, 10:44 pm, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > There are a few answers to this and it depends on your mind set > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > your core beliefs. > > > > > > > > The obvious answer is God did it. We are here to go to heaven, or > > > > > > > reach God, or merge with the God head or what ever the dogma of > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > faith dercess is the porouse. > > > > > > > > Another answer is that we find meaning in our lives in what makes > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > happy, indeed some would contend that this is the higest moral > > > > > > > obligation. > > > > > > > > Yet another answer is all is pointless, there is no point and so > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > what you you like. > > > > > > > > Take your pick my freind which answer suits you? > > > > > > > > On Mar 28, 12:34 am, malcymo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Raison D’etre > > > > > > > > > We are genetically successful in that we still exist. > > > > > > > > Historically our > > > > > > > > mutations have turned out to be apt for survival. > > > > > > > > > We have been endowed with the ability to reason and thus > > > > > > > > question our > > > > > > > > purpose. > > > > > > > > > Camus believed that human existence was essentially absurd. As > > > > > > > > Russell > > > > > > > > said ‘All the labour of the ages, all the devotion, all the > > > > > > > > inspiration, all the noonday brightness of human genius are > > > > > > > > destined > > > > > > > > to extinction in the vast death of the solar system'. This > > > > > > > > implies > > > > > > > > that human endeavour id pointless. As Douglas Adams said the > > > > > > > > answer to > > > > > > > > life the universe and existence is 42. > > > > > > > > > Realisation of this truth could imply that the only logical > > > > > > > > response > > > > > > > > is to give up on endeavour, even commit suicide. > > > > > > > > > However, we do have a short period of life wherein we can > > > > > > > > experience > > > > > > > > emotions; happiness, pain etc. Although difficult to explain > > > > > > > > are real > > > > > > > > in the sense that we can agree on the pleasure or displeasure > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > such experiences give us. Likewise we would agree that we would > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > our short existence to be pleasurable, even for the masochist. > > > > > > > > > Should we not be looking for the meaning of life; creating a > > > > > > > > meaning > > > > > > > > for life; endeavouring to change the human condition and > > > > > > > > society for > > > > > > > > the greater benefit of future generations. That one of these > > > > > > > > generations will be extinguished is of no importance given the > > > > > > > > absurdity of existence. > > > > > > > > > Homespinner- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
