pat do you really build straw men
Pat wrote: > On Mar 30, 6:26 pm, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> wrote: > > allin i can build a snow man 2x my size > > > > And I can build a 'straw man' any size. ;-) > > > > > > > allan deheretic wrote: > > > the problem with that argument is you can not replace good , his being is > > > greater than the entirety of the universe. Waroom simply because he > > > created > > > it, to create something you have to be bigger than that which you > > > created. > > > > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 5:40 AM, the taoist shaman > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > i believe it was the inca who said that all life is seperate but part > > > > of the same life force that radiates from the createor who is at the > > > > centre of the universe > > > > > > if god lives in us wouldn't he share our experience , what was it , > > > > that which u do unto others u do also unto me, this from a christian > > > > veiw > > > > > > even marcus auralias ( you can easily argue ) held this point of view > > > > with god replaced as self , that which u do unto other s u do also > > > > unto yourself , would then be the wording > > > > > > DarkwaterBlight wrote: > > > > > How indeed! That was, most certainly, in jest at Allan's post about > > > > > punishment. > > > > > > > On Mar 28, 12:15 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 18, 6:48 pm, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > "LOL!! If I'm correct and "God is One" and we are all extensions > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > that One, then God suffers in every tradgedy, too. This is why I > > > > > > > sometimes refer to God as "a glutton for experience", as God, > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > all, experiences all aspects of every act. In a murder, for > > > > > > > example, > > > > > > > God is both murderer and victim. God gets to experience all > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > simply because, in reality, there is no 'other'."- Pat > > > > > > > > > Allan, > > > > > > > How, then, could one be seperated from God? > > > > > > > > > "God is actually very fascinating being. Within his being the > > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > contained.. As I see it the object is to be with our creator, as > > > > > > > Confucius > > > > > > > said To be in the presence of your creator is to be in heaven."- > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > Is it your understanding that, though within his being the entire > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > contained, that somehow God might seperate Self from Self and be > > > > > > > absent from One's self? :P > > > > > > > > Well, how can an omnipresent God be absent from anywhere? > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 9:49 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 17, 3:14 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt "punishment" was in the dinosaur "vocabulary" but we > > > > > > > > > have > > > > no > > > > > > > > > idea how they viewed and coped with natural disasters, do we? > > > > > > > > > We > > > > have > > > > > > > > > no idea how early mankind dealt with disasters except to study > > > > the > > > > > > > > > apes and chimps, I guess. > > > > > > > > > > > "Where Was God" by William Safire was in last Sunday's NYTimes > > > > then > > > > > > > > > removed and so was any link as far as I could tell by Monday > > > > > > > > > when > > > > I > > > > > > > > > thought to print it out. I finally found it through Google but > > > > the > > > > > > > > > link looks goofy so you are on your own. :-) He wrote this > > > > > > > > > op-ed > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 2005 after the Indian Ocean tsunami and based his response on > > > > > > > > > the > > > > Book > > > > > > > > > of Job re the questioning of faith in the midst of a natural > > > > disaster > > > > > > > > > and untold suffering. It tracks to humans being responsible to > > > > lessen > > > > > > > > > human suffering and injustice. > > > > > > > > > > > The world is so depressing. Please do not try to cheer me up. > > > > Thank > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > LOL!! If I'm correct and "God is One" and we are all > > > > > > > > extensions of > > > > > > > > that One, then God suffers in every tradgedy, too. This is why > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > sometimes refer to God as "a glutton for experience", as God, > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > all, experiences all aspects of every act. In a murder, for > > > > example, > > > > > > > > God is both murderer and victim. God gets to experience all > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > simply because, in reality, there is no 'other'. > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 16, 7:26 am, Pat <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 16, 6:47 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course are not a punishment but rather a natural > > > > > > > > > > > planetary > > > > force that > > > > > > > > > > > though it is going to happen is not preplanned nor can it > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > said that it is > > > > > > > > > > > in punishment.. those that say that I wonder about their > > > > knowledge of right > > > > > > > > > > > and wrong. . but there are some people that you will > > > > > > > > > > > never be > > > > able to > > > > > > > > > > > explain anything because they know it all and their minds > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > closed. > > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > It can't REALLY be a punishment, as we know earthquakes > > > > happened long > > > > > > > > > > before humans. I doubt very seriously if the dinosaurs > > > > > > > > > > viewed > > > > > > > > > > earthquakes as punishments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Ash > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "Life" is also a cereal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I recently tried to convince someone that natural > > > > > > > > > > > > disasters > > > > were not a > > > > > > > > > > > > punishment from her God for those who do not believe. It > > > > didn't go too well > > > > > > > > > > > > and turned into an angry lecture on my part. Basically > > > > substitute > > > > > > > > > > > > "scripture" for "life" in a crash course of anthropology > > > > and spirituality, > > > > > > > > > > > > that's what it was. Why do I feel guilty?.. If it shakes > > > > her faith and hope > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll be damned, if she reflects and understands the > > > > > > > > > > > > larger > > > > reality it will > > > > > > > > > > > > strengthen. Sometimes to what seems at first an academic > > > > matter, with > > > > > > > > > > > > empathy and understanding, we find a great > > > > > > > > > > > > responsibility > > > > in the actions we > > > > > > > > > > > > take. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Risk. Isn't there a song about life being a poker game? > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > > > > > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted > > > > > > > > > > > text > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -
