"This Sporting Life"- Richard Harris- movie "Liking is For Cowards. Go For What Hurts." By Jonathan Franzen <http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/29/opinion/29franzen.html>
Maybe we are a practice planet- like a practice wife? And that galaxy 300,000 light years away is the real deal + bliss. Overbreeding is a form of sabotage or warfare as it disrupts and drains society but selective breeding has another set of motives. On May 28, 10:17 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > It's as if there are no arguments to me. There appears to be a huge > debt burden, yet essentially we owe each other and could do with a > jubilee. I can't take society as we have it, even really dropping out > of it to find some peace. I know enough to know space travel is very > hard, not least cosmic radiation in deep space. Nothing is really as > empty as we think, even before we think of vacuum as only > statistically empty. > The purposes I grew up with all look dire, very much idols of my > tribe. It may be that the time of my rugby league team (Warrington) > has come round again. We've won the cup for the last two years and > sit on top of the league. I feel the old stirrings when we dominate > another side, yet also how vapid all the effort is. It's more as > though we should step away from the old crap of war and rivalry. > I used to see education as the answer - that if enough of us really > knew stuff we'd find a critical social mass to move from the idiot > economics religion. One personal answer for me is living abroad, > where there is no 'news' to swamp me, none of the dreadful 'smalltalk > yakker' of soap operas and reality television. I watched a film > called Hotel Haribati some time ago, which was themed along the lines > of how western society takes away all that matters through its > pressures - but its ideal was in Syria. > I think we might be at the edge of understanding control in complex, > self-directed systems (though this is scarily called 'control theory') > - this might help us overcome economics and its perverse motivations. > But let's face it, we can't even trust people not to breed in excess, > given any opportunity. > > On May 28, 3:26 am, twentyfirstcenturyslave <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Seems we need to do some evolving first in order to comprehend a world > > in which we can all work together to achieve the kind of space travel > > required to reach distant planets. > > I think most people think we have stopped evolving, but since > > evolution takes such a long time, we won't realize it's happened until > > after the fact. I'm hopeful. Okay, call me a dreamer. > > > On May 18, 2:58 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I'm not sure how accurate they can be in revealing planets enough like > > > ours to offer possibilities of a new promised land. They claim there > > > is one 20 light years away, or 300,000 years at current space travel > > > speeds. One can feel that this at least puts us somewhere near the > > > position of 'Columbus'. Our current 'tin-foil' technology won't do, > > > but at this kind of distance we are talking about something other than > > > worm-holes, 'relativity flight' or the kind of physics in which > > > distance is an illusion. > > > > For someone like me who can't take god-stories seriously and quite > > > likes the idea of a human future (or at least the idea of evolution > > > not just ending through catastrophe), there is an opportunity to > > > believe in something distant in time and a need for us to direct > > > ourselves towards it. A time, perhaps in which a form of conscious > > > life can live very differently from now, and a project worth attaching > > > to - perhaps a reason for spirituality. Comments on this or the > > > technology welcome.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
