Give thanks to G W(easeal) Bush and the republican party for that Rigsy. It is exactly what they want,,, to control you. Allan
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:45 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > Soon the Postal Service will go belly up and everyone will be forced > to do business on the internet or phones which is already under > surveillance by government(s) added to cameras, drones sized down to > ladybugs etc. We will have no privacy along with other freedoms > promised in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Tyrants must be > drooling in hell. > > On Sep 10, 11:10 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > Those were my thought as I was reading Archytas' reply also Rigsy. > > Probably the largest purveyors of lies and organised crime are these. > > Among them are the law makers and enforcers who we have no choice but > > to depend on. And lets not forget about the political vagueries and > > the miles of legislation incomprehensible to the general public. Law > > should be taught from pre-school years but it isn't nor will it be. If > > it were we would not "need" the enforcers or legislators or even the > > legislation as it would be part of us. > > > > On Sep 8, 9:51 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > What? No mention of how our CIA and M? interfere with other > > > governments and regimes? > > > > > On Sep 8, 8:42 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > The problem with accounting is that it is mostly fraudulent - from > > > > performance management in organisations, to the banksterism of CDOs > > > > (and the rest) and on to the way politicians conduct themselves it is > > > > based on 'performance' as acting. For transparency we need less > > > > accounting - but for the accounts to be available to public scrutiny > - > > > > this leads to privacy considerations. > > > > > > Before any technical consideration though, we should look at the > > > > brutal facts of people being kept poor and a tiny few getting sickly > > > > rich and who hangs on to the tail-coats of the rich as a nomenclature > > > > (the next 30%). This is animal living in my view, not human. The > > > > accumulated riches do not translate into organising poor people so > > > > they can self-sustain - think how much we could grow doing this. The > > > > money put in, even in micro-finance, is fraudulently abstracted to > the > > > > rich and their entourages and then further burdens the tax payer with > > > > debt. Audit methods need to be very sophisticated, as they are in > > > > good construction site management, to ensure proper build standards > > > > (and look how often this is flouted). > > > > > > The big problem to overcome is generally that of false claims made by > > > > people one cannot challenge to show and tell. We are no more allowed > > > > to set a team of 'untouchables' (and remember Eliot Ness wrote his > own > > > > myth) on the banksters than on Mugabe and his ilk. I would say that > > > > the first step is to prevent the shadow banking system having any > > > > credibility and make transactions with it a criminal offence. > Britain > > > > is a hub of this - and capital flight centres on London. Given that > > > > most loans to third world leaders go wrong, it's impossible to > believe > > > > the banks aren't complicit - just ask yourself if you'd lend the > > > > Mugabe's of this world a bean - so why would an experienced banker if > > > > he was really accountable for the performance of the loan? The > > > > banksters get some return and hide the thieving via 'Swiss banking' - > > > > which is largely US and UK (etc.) or we would just stop it. > > > > > > We need to start focusing knowledge and resources instead of money - > > > > money should be in a primitive banking system that is transparent. > > > > The deep problem is that money makes money in volatile speculations > > > > (bubbles) and through illegal activities (drugs etc.).and wealth is > > > > not produced from real work aimed at building communities - lurking > > > > behind this thinking are spectres of fascism and Sino-Soviet > > > > dictatorships that we need to build into the thinking to prevent > > > > them. My view is that organised crime is winning and has been the > > > > real theory-in-use of western capitalism, inherited from the > > > > imperialism that is all our history. We need to replace greed as the > > > > motivator and the existential great leader as anything other than a > > > > non-starter. Competition needs to be seen in a different way and > > > > there is a part-model in sport, though a bad model obscures a good > one > > > > in this. > > > > > > On Sep 8, 7:36 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I disagree. When laws create a democratic institution centred on > > > > > people's interest, corruption complaint and harassment grievance... > it > > > > > becomes a means through which the people can bring the govt to > book, > > > > > make it accountable and even punish it through verdicts of courts > of > > > > > law. > > > > > > > The Law on Right To Information is an example... it's done wonders. > > > > > That's the India experience, of course. Other countries would have > > > > > theirs. > > > > > > > Wiki's been very, very good... more because it exposed duplicitous > > > > > behaviour and double-speak hitherto considered very much as the > done > > > > > thing. But there's much much more of tech applications that need to > be > > > > > adopted... online surveys and referendums are one, suo moto gauging > of > > > > > public sentiment and people aligning themselves against opaque, > > > > > unresponsive govts on issues and cases is another, ERP adaptation > for > > > > > public admn projects is a third... both accounting and reporting, > and > > > > > intervention. There is much that can be done with speed, honesty > and > > > > > cost-effectiveness. > > > > > > > DarkwaterBlight wrote: > > > > > > Awareness is not enough but rather, a start and only scratching > the > > > > > > surface at this point as Archytas points out. Wiki Leaks is a > good > > > > > > example of using thechnology for public awareness and > accountability > > > > > > however unscrupulous thier means. Passing more laws leaves a bad > taste > > > > > > in my mouth when I say it so I'm not quite sure that's an answer. > > > > > > > > On Sep 7, 10:47 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Been a case here last week... his palatial house is confiscated > and > > > > > > > turned into a school ! > > > > > > > > > The proposed ombudsman bill has provision of confiscation of > private > > > > > > > property. Which, of course, the parliamentarians and > bureaucrats are > > > > > > > very averse to passing ! But they have no option with people > awake to > > > > > > > what it is that they want in the bill. > > > > > > > > > On Sep 7, 11:58 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Criminal activity is extremely hard to start as the > politicians which are > > > > > > > > the core of over the years I watched it deteriorate. but > unfortunately the > > > > > > > > worst of it started with Reaganomics. where the foot hole was > gained. now > > > > > > > > you have take on the spin doctors of Washington and in Europe > but here they > > > > > > > > are not quite as bad yet. > > > > > > > > To change it would require laws to be pasted that would go > against > > > > > > > > the interest of big money and then enforce them stringently.. > and when > > > > > > > > attacking the problem it has to become where if you are found > involved in > > > > > > > > illegal activities you lose everything and your immediate > family, The idea > > > > > > > > is to prevent them from dispersing it else whee.. and it > needs to include > > > > > > > > corporations.. if a corporation is found in illegal > activities the > > > > > > > > president vice presidents and the entire board of directors > need to lose > > > > > > > > everything.. then when the threat of lose of their > personal wealth you > > > > > > > > will see the change quite quickly.. > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:32 AM, archytas <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Some indication of how hard Vam's project is can be found > at > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.economics.jku.at/members/Schneider/files/publications/OrgC... > > > > > > > > > - though I think the amount of organised criminal money is > much higher > > > > > > > > > than the near trillion dollars shown in this research. > Finance has > > > > > > > > > become a shell game with 50 shells played by a quintet of > squid. > > > > > > > > > Balance sheets are now highly transparent but irrelevant to > what goes > > > > > > > > > on in large companies and banks. We have to make business > transparent > > > > > > > > > and any accounting that prevents this criminal. I suspect > this would > > > > > > > > > collapse financial services and retailing. > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 6, 11:02 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Would I have been a cop for them Gabby! Sadly, the > murkier bit I did > > > > > > > > > > only made it more obvious I was on the wrong side. > Corruption is > > > > > > > > > > winning. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 6, 8:23 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://transparency.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transparency International, the global civil society > organisation > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > the fight against corruption, brings people together in > a powerful > > > > > > > > > worldwide > > > > > > > > > > > coalition to end the devastating impact of corruption > on men, women and > > > > > > > > > > > children around the world. > > > > > > > > > > > TI’s mission is to create change towards a world free > of corruption. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transparency International challenges the inevitability > of corruption, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > offers hope to its victims. Since its founding in 1993, > TI has played a > > > > > > > > > lead > > > > > > > > > > > role in improving the lives of millions around the > world by building > > > > > > > > > > > momentum for the anti-corruption movement. TI raises > awareness and > > > > > > > > > > > diminishes apathy and tolerance of corruption, and > devises and > > > > > > > > > implements > > > > > > > > > > > practical actions to address it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transparency International is a global network > including more than 90 > > > > > > > > > > > locally established national chapters and > chapters-in-formation. These > > > > > > > > > > > bodies fight corruption in the national arena in a > number of ways. They > > > > > > > > > > > bring together relevant players from government, civil > society, > > > > > > > > > business and > > > > > > > > > > > the media to promote transparency in elections, in > public > > > > > > > > > administration, in > > > > > > > > > > > procurement and in business. TI’s global network of > chapters and > > > > > > > > > contacts > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > -- ( ) |_D Allan live is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
