Oh brother! :-) Life hasn't changed a great deal, you know. Look no further than Solomon!
On Sep 13, 5:48 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > It's a hard struggle Allan. I think most people are poor due to lack > of chances, or lack of trying. Yeah yeah I know how that sounds. > > So first let us ensure that everybody has their chances, education, > help for school leavers to get employed or trained. I would love to > see more emphasis put on science and critical thought at schools. > > Ultimatly though, we are all very differant people, not all of us will > agree with any changes, planed or discussed, what then to do with > desenting vioces? > > On Sep 13, 9:05 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The soviet era had is share of wealth grabbers living of the masses they > > were know different. I remember having to vouch safe for a top KGB agents so > > he could spend his money in NYC. > > > Vam is right the change that actually needs promoting is Dharma.. creating > > an understanding of those principles should help remove the blinders form > > peoples eyes. > > Allan > > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 1:35 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Does anyone know why we keep people poor? I used to imagine it was to > > > (somehow) keep the rest of us motivated, and I was once swayed by > > > notions of meritocracy. As biologist, I found lots of similar > > > situations amongst animals and still believe we are stuck with these > > > genetic influences in our unconscious - this being most of what we are > > > as social animals. The conscious-rational is still a small part of > > > what we are. In animals the poor or subordinate can become the 'rich > > > leaders' - clown fish even changing sex to do this, almost as if their > > > genetics keeps some in 'reserve'. I find poverty something we should > > > eradicate, but when I ask myself what poverty is find a complex. > > > > My guess in terms of the Macht Politik is that the West has notions of > > > needing to stay ahead, ensuring relative poverty for many, in order to > > > have the ability to attract the best brains, innovation and technology > > > development. This neo-conservatism doesn't appeal to me, but I accept > > > its logic to some degree. There are things 'out there' to protect > > > ourselves from -though eventually this logic collapses into itself as > > > paranoid-schizoid positioning. Beggar-thy-neighbour economics has > > > been around a long time - and one consequence of the neo-con madness > > > is that arming China through manufacturing investment and 'Walmart' is > > > treason. Transferring manufacturing expertise and raising wealth in > > > China has changed the balance of power. I don't object from my own > > > perspective, just note the inconsistency of the neo-cons. > > > > Our economics creates small numbers of very rich people and an elite > > > of about 20% who rake in about 20 times the income of most of the > > > rest. We are always told this is the only game in town and the > > > nightmare of Sino-Soviet experiments is used to show us all > > > alternatives fail. In fact these systems produced similar elites. > > > Islamic banking, with its anti-usury, still leaves its poor poor. > > > > I have no wish to see everyone equipped as mega-consumers of the dross > > > that helps burn the planet, or to find lager louts where I go on > > > holiday and I don't go for 'wonderful human nature' solutions. Yet > > > this system has allowed the human population to triple in my lifetime > > > and broken every 'promise' of the better world to come. In all of > > > this, a rich elite controls nearly all the wealth that we can put > > > monetary value on, and they largely prevent us even arguing as though > > > our democracies matter - we would like to do this but the banksters > > > won't like it, the rich will take 'their' money abroad sort of stuff. > > > Keeping people in poverty and without education has led to a lot of > > > stuff (like loads of people) the planet can't afford > > > > We may have gone too far for a remedy, yet we have ideas and bright > > > people who could change things if we stopped relying on the system we > > > have. I think this involves eradicating poverty and a lot we > > > currently think is moral duty in our basic thinking on fairness. We > > > are being made serfs to accumulated money. We should, instead be > > > accumulating social capital and finding discipline that is not > > > enforced by need of making a living. > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > |_D Allan > > > live is for moral, ethical and truthful living.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
