Always in favor of a pissing match Gabby? The issue before the group now is one that was avoided when Chris announced his exit. How is this self determined group to self govern? As much as some would like to continue to spew and point fingers, that may very well be the reason no one feels up to the challenge of becoming moderator. Your MO is to rail against authority. The point here is, as a group, either we all take responsibility for our own actions and the way moderators and other members are treated, or the group falls apart. Your last post is somewhat of a confirmation of the latter.
On Sep 19, 11:01 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > I'd prefer Orn to speak for himself. Besides, why don't you, Molly, > just press the button to unban Allan from eternal damnation? > > On Sep 19, 12:59 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Heavy sigh. Deep sense of loss. > > > On Sep 19, 1:42 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > OM, seems the members have left the Group to yourself. > > > > As I'd said... it is you who is on trial when you reduce as serious > > > matter as a decision to ban to a personal " This is between Allan and > > > me." ! > > > > No, Sir, it is not. The members and their perception matters. > > > Transparency, fairness and proportion matter. > > > > On Sep 16, 9:56 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Vam, you don't like it. I get that. This is between Allan and me. He > > > > is banned from this group. > > > > > On Sep 16, 9:52 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > What are the specifics ? > > > > > > Which are the hyperbole ? > > > > > > Allan, my friend ? I do not even know him well. > > > > > > Loyalty ? What's loyalty got to do with this ? > > > > > > You've taken a decision, where you were on trial ! Remember that. > > > > > > On Sep 16, 9:48 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Vam, your hyperbole is laudable especially when coming to the aid > > > > > > of a > > > > > > friend who is perceived to have been wronged. Loyalty has its place. > > > > > > The specifics in this case fly against your stance though. > > > > > > > On Sep 16, 5:57 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sep 16, 1:31 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Moderation is and always has been subjective. It also is not > > > > > > > > democratic no matter what pretense or trappings are added to it. > > > > > > > > Subjectivity can include emotional instability and rank egotistic > > > > > > > stupidity. But we all work at learning to be on guard against that > > > > > > > because IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOUR. Especially Moderation of a > > > > > > > Group... with members who are pretty much evolved and > > > > > > > conscientious on > > > > > > > their own. This Group has had the hallmarks of such great > > > > > > > members... > > > > > > > > I wasn't meaning that the Moderation process be " Democratic." > > > > > > > But it > > > > > > > certainly needs to be open and transparent. > > > > > > > > > gabby, if you feel attacked by vam and want action, let me know > > > > > > > > specifically and I'll address it. I use judgement when it comes > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > individual cases. > > > > > > > > Nothing in your judgement, Mr Moderator, can force me to give ' > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > ' or assign so much ' worth ' to particular posts. I actually do > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > give much value to Gabby's posts and actually assign much worth to > > > > > > > them. And I felt it necessary to say as much, when I did. > > > > > > > > > Vam, yes it is serious and I've never taken the > > > > > > > > task/responsibility > > > > > > > > lightly. > > > > > > > > Lightly ? No, OM, I do suggest you take the matter heavily. The > > > > > > > seriousness implies that the Moderator CANNOT be wrong in his > > > > > > > judgement in the context, even if he has to give the offender the > > > > > > > benefit of doubt everytime, all the time. As can be seen, you are > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > absolute minority of ONE, from the reactions on this thread. > > > > > > > Perhaps, > > > > > > > you need to look at your subjectivity... > > > > > > > > > Also Vam, as egalitarian as your suggested method appears to be > > > > > > > > we are > > > > > > > > not about trials here. > > > > > > > > Then you most definitely are not taking the matter " seriously " > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > all. IT IS YOU WHO IS ON TRIAL everytime you have to take a > > > > > > > banning > > > > > > > decision ! > > > > > > > > > On Sep 15, 9:41 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I believe banning is a serious matter. > > > > > > > > > > I really have not kept track of what Allan has said or done. > > > > > > > > > In the > > > > > > > > > event, I feel there should be a separate thread titled : Why > > > > > > > > > so-and-so > > > > > > > > > deserves to be banned, by the Group rules ! > > > > > > > > > > The person can then be clearly charged, allowed to respond, > > > > > > > > > and a call > > > > > > > > > taken by the Moderator in full public view. Shouldn't be > > > > > > > > > difficult. > > > > > > > > > After all you wouldn't be doing it every month. > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 15, 8:24 pm, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Vam, I deleted the offending posts. Allan himself knew he > > > > > > > > > > had gone > > > > > > > > > > over the line and said so in one of his remaining posts. He > > > > > > > > > > followed > > > > > > > > > > that one with more unprovoked direct attacks (self > > > > > > > > > > admitted/defined) > > > > > > > > > > upon me. He knew what he was doing and what the result > > > > > > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > Evolution, freedom, acceptance and toleration include self > > > > > > > > > > responsibility. > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 14, 10:33 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If true, as Allan himself informs me, the act seems > > > > > > > > > > > disproportionate, > > > > > > > > > > > a result of disbalanced mental process, and plain gross, > > > > > > > > > > > as in > > > > > > > > > > > absolute unfit for a Group comprising of such evolved > > > > > > > > > > > members who > > > > > > > > > > > believe in freedom, acceptance and toleration. > > > > > > > > > > > > I sure would like to hear the Moderator speak on this > > > > > > > > > > > matter.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
