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Allan - you can get the videos in 15 min clips from 'Angry Prophet' (any relation?) above. It's easy enough once you find the first one. On Oct 30, 11:38 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > We can go along with Camus - Life is no one single, simple thing, but > a series of tensions and dilemmas. The most seemingly straightforward > features of life are in fact ambiguous and even contradictory. Camus > recommends that we avoid trying to resolve them. We need to face the > fact that we can never successfully purge ourselves of the impulses > that t hreaten to wreak havoc with our lives. Camus's philosophy, if it > has a single message, is that we should learn to tolerate, indeed > embrace the frustration and ambivalence that humans cannot escape. > > On Oct 30, 7:12 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > They rely on the 'machine'for both social and personal legitimacy Vam. > > It's a combination of fatalism, rationalisation,narcissism and > > projection, all within a paranoid-schizoid position. Whilst this > > explanation holds it has to be amenable to Gabby's 'pin' when > > pompous. There is, of course, no reason for a small group to > > 'compete' for riches whilst most live in poverty. And equally, I'm > > not sure that reasonably fair material basics will help many people > > achieve much real satisfaction - but it would help me not feel so bad > > about myself. Way beyond this we have to think on and change the > > nature of work - in its current form it's too often demeaning and we > > don't take enough of our fair shares in a lot of it. > > I have, at least to some extent, 'done my bit' - but the turn of this > > to looking down on others as 'scroungers' and the rest I find > > sickening. I spent my summers as a kid picking potatoes,beans, peat- > > digging and so on with plenty of time to play cricket, tennis and the > > rest. Our current generation has no such opportunity, and we can say > > the same about more permanent jobs. Kids around the world often have > > no such childhood at all. We could at least organise from this up. > > Instead we cast fantasies about what are laughable qualifications (in > > our terms Vam) being essential for 'interesting jobs'. > > > On Oct 30, 6:18 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > "What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters > > > compared to what lies within us." > > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson > > > > Without which realisation... we'd just alternate > > > between hope and despair, in desperation ! > > > > On Oct 30, 4:55 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "Even God cannot change the past." Agathon (448 B.C.-400 B.C.) > > > > > We are eventually free to establish our own values and lifestyle- if > > > > we are lucky- and it sounds as if you are one of the lucky ones as we > > > > type on computers constructed via slave labor to communicate our > > > > opinions and struggles. > > > > > Around the beginning of the 20th Century, manufacturers accepted the > > > > idea of making products that would soon be obsolete and need to be > > > > replaced rather than repaired which has resulted in a toss-away > > > > consumer society that is drenched in wastefulness. I think the idea > > > > was first promoted by advertisers who were eager for steady income. > > > > Replacement has become a broader fact- from mates to warfare. > > > > > On Oct 29, 11:01 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I don't recall the exact quote from Camus, Neil, in his "Rebel"... > > > > > > We are living in times when the same usurpers, oligarchs, power > > > > > brokers, Free Capitalists and State Capitalists... use values that > > > > > appeal to people, take positions that make people feel good, espouse > > > > > causes and show generosities... when all that is on their mind is how > > > > > to extract more from the people, how to make laws more capital, > > > > > priviledged and owner friendly ( yeah, the fkg Motor Act in India is > > > > > still of colonial vantage, when the motors on the roads were owned > > > > > mainly by the British... you don't need to commit any murders at all, > > > > > just mow them on the road, and escape with at most as light a sentence > > > > > as mere 2 years of simple imprisonment ! ), how to consolidate and > > > > > cartelise the supply chain or distribution structures for essential > > > > > commodities, so as to create scarcities and raise prices at will... > > > > > control power... control money... control legislation... control > > > > > supply and demand... control... > > > > > > As a result, people have come to believe that the 80% of the economy > > > > > looped in to serve 20% of the population is alright, that millionaires > > > > > constituting 50% of People's Representatives is alright, that there is > > > > > something sacrosanct about property and shall-do-as-I-wish rights, > > > > > that accepting money means that people have to surrender their freedom > > > > > and needless dignity, that basketfuls of cake and food reject in waste > > > > > bin from wealthy mansions is okay when thousands are hungry... and if > > > > > you stand to question and protest over such gross social inequality, > > > > > such political misrepresentation, such blatant economic inequity... > > > > > you are actually shown the law, the law and order enforcement might, > > > > > the feudal norms and ethics, and told "look at the others, how they > > > > > are not about creating problems" ! > > > > > > You then have only one option... which you will soon be advised even > > > > > by your parents and well-wishers... to join them. After all, even you > > > > > have it all... if you study and work hard, with dedication... et al. > > > > > > The fun starts, rather the mayhem, when you see no reason to join > > > > > them, to have all that "they" have. At that stage you have already > > > > > discovered the new paradigm for yourself. It happened with me in > > > > > 1997... when I looked up to my boss' position and clearly saw that I > > > > > didn't want it ! Lived hand to mouth for about 2 years... made demands > > > > > on friends without a qualm... until the consulting work got > > > > > acknowledged... and then I've practically retired for an otherwise > > > > > very active life. > > > > > > On Oct 30, 4:32 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Sorry your video is currently not available.. will try later I did > > > > > > some > > > > > > looking up to understand the raping of Nang I have actually known > > > > > > about for > > > > > > a long time ,, seems even before the internet why I don't recall > > > > > > any more.. > > > > > > Maybe it is from the horrible abuse and treatment of the american > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > by my own government. and other minorities.. > > > > > > > I think people want to believe the soft sell packaged lies.. people > > > > > > apparently prefer to live in fear and accept lies rather than face > > > > > > the > > > > > > truth.. as for governments that color truth worse is it the USA or > > > > > > Great Britain? Both Countries seem to bury their heads in the sand > > > > > > when it > > > > > > comes to coloring their history. still am trying to figure out > > > > > > the British empire. > > > > > > > Hopefully the Occupy Movement will have some effect positive I hope > > > > > > if the > > > > > > one percent want to control the wealth and government they at > > > > > > least to > > > > > > bear their fair share of the expenses based on percentage of > > > > > > ownership. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 7:51 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > The current crisis is not one of banking or economics, but > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > much more basic. One might say this is our attitude towards > > > > > > > 'machines > > > > > > > of loving grace'. In short, we live in the fantasy that "the > > > > > > > machine" > > > > > > > will put things right, returning to an equilibrium as our > > > > > > > interventions are little more than 'of mice and men'. The real > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > of the environment and the exchange world of economics return to > > > > > > > equilibrium after fluctuations. It's very tempting to believe > > > > > > > this - > > > > > > > one might see Gaia as a case in point - the planet and other > > > > > > > species > > > > > > > flourishing after we've crazed ourselves to extinction through > > > > > > > consumption and wars. > > > > > > > > You can pick up the ideas of 'all watched over by machines of > > > > > > > loving > > > > > > > grace' here - > > > > > > >http://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/2160186460/All-Watched-Over-By-M... > > > > > > > > A review with an economic twist can be found here - > > > > > > >http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/the-natural-chaos-of-markets.html > > > > > > > > My own work has often focused on the difference between espoused > > > > > > > theories and theories-in-action. In some subjects like chemistry > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > relationship between theory and practice is good - if you follow > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > rules and recipes you get what you intended and the explanations > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > sense if you study enough. There is a working core, you can > > > > > > > trust or > > > > > > > check the work of others and speculation can eventually be tested > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > what is not accepted as 'settled'. In the human sciences this is > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > more difficult, not least because we do not exclude much in human > > > > > > > society that prevents science. Few of us have much aptitude for > > > > > > > science, perhaps especially for its negation of ideology soaked up > > > > > > > from community. > > > > > > > > I always noted as a teacher that I was more comfortable saying > > > > > > > 'you > > > > > > > just can't handle the maths' (unlikely for me as I'd teach people > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > that without the stuff), than in saying 'you just don't get > > > > > > > argument > > > > > > > because you can't let go of any prejudice'. Teaching people to > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > for themselves contains a paradox. One finds much one is > > > > > > > expected to > > > > > > > teach based on dross. I know of no country in which history is > > > > > > > taught > > > > > > > without gross ideological distortion. We hear the Japanese rip > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > pages in textbooks on the 'rape of Nanking' yet it's rare to find > > > > > > > Brits who know much of our... > > read more »
