Can it be that this a generation thing? I mean, the question used to be
"How are you?" and then one started discussing the weather. This "what is
happening to you/ to others" has this artificial dualism to it, which I
understand Molly doesn't appreciate either. And the next generation's
question is, where is the link to the stream.

On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:40 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:

> Pat might just be interested in this -
> http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qm-collapse/
> - which is very clever stuff on physics I found I could only handle in
> parts.  My brain is much less capable in both maths and being bothered
> with deep riddles these days.  I play only as an amateur.  There's
> some sort of argument in this stuff that allows a realist view of
> macroscopic space-time - i.e. that the moon is where it is without
> anyone looking and our old chestnut tree crashes to the ground as
> likely when we aren't looking - that is consistent with quantum-level
> theorising.
> I'm a tropical fish realist - if I want to know about, say, India on
> the ground, I'd ask Vam or people with direct experience I've actually
> worked with.  If more than interest was at stake, I'd go.  Even
> reading, incidentally, indicates that standard 'white people's
> histories' I soaked up from Hollywood-BBC are false.  I tend to like
> my climate science from climate scientists, not the guff from
> Hollywood-BBC.  It's hard to get stuff from the 'horse's mouth', and
> of course even when one can, there remain problems of knowing enough
> to understand - as a minute with the link above will indicate.  I
> often find little to distinguish the academic and presumably accurate
> material and, say, some of the barking on Epistemology.  I tend
> towards the experts in science.
>
> This general attitude of mine does not extend to politics and
> economics.  Here I find the experts vapid, generally untrustworthy and
> speaking in code or some sort.  The dominant dross in economics since
> I started teaching it has been broadly neo-classical and so vapid it's
> models ignored debt.  You can find the criticism and a more realistic
> model in the work of Steve Keen who puts his work out free.  This is
> the model I teach - though I take a more narrative-behavioural line
> based on the question 'what's happening to you'?  Quite a few of my
> undergrad and postgrad students find this so unusual that they start
> to look like shock and awe victims.
>
> The follow up question (the first is more difficult than any quantum-
> waffle) is 'what is happening to other people'?  Towards the end of
> 101 we might get to whether current economics as actually described in
> textbooks in a manner similar to that in books about keeping tropical
> fish describe how to keep the fish.  Such matters can broaden out into
> how a science research programme has a core and periphery (Lakatos,
> Kuhn) and allows evidence and explanation to change these.
>
> One can point to much information that demonstrates economics only
> works for a small proportion of people, but the idea is to let people
> get on with their own enquiries.  You may be surprised how few respond
> well to this.  Steve Keen's lectures are all available free on line I
> tell them - why waste £9K a year getting them from a bum like me?
> Some of the kinder answers involve me being a teacher, but teaching
> people to think for themselves.  Some of them turn me into a very good
> teacher.  I fail with loads.  They demand instruction.  You'd think
> more people would want to explore knowledge,but there don't seem to be
> many.  And I have to say, on first sight of me, most struggle with
> both the first questions.  I'll repeat them in that patronising manner
> of teacher training:
>
> 1. what is happening to you?
> 2. what is happening to others?
>
> I can, of course, put the answers in statistical form.
>
> 1.you're being screwed.
> 2. they're being screwed.
>
> Comments by free thinkers more than welcome!
>

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