I can't disagree with rigsy. For all my wish for power to be shared to prevent iniquity I know most people don't reason at all well. I see no signs of this trap being sprung.
On Jan 26, 5:24 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Vam , God is not irrelevant as it is the general trend, nowadays ,to > try to realize God , Self if you like. You yourself were talking of > infinite bliss , whether it is realization of Self or God is the same > thing to me. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > Seems good to me, RP... > > except that this matter about God might be irrelevant. > > > The moral code is the core but for ourself. > > It is the ethics code that is for others, > > but it needs the moral code for its foundation. > > > On Jan 26, 9:57 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It is not the God within which we have to search - He is there O.K. , > >> has always been and will always be. We have to look outside at the > >> multitude , and evolve a moral code for the benefit of individuals > >> and humanity as a whole. > > >> On Jan 25, 8:26 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > "Is this not an important part of the dynamic multidimensional mind > >> > Vam, can you find nothing of value with meeting this view at least as > >> > a challenge?" > > >> > James, starting with God is a bad idea. Perhaps, ending up at it is > >> > what needs to happen. Dawkins was in Jaipur here and I found his view > >> > a lot more balanced, less bigoted and militant. > > >> > And Neil is right : it must deal with morality. Where his discourse > >> > runs dry is when he is quoting other people ! That is also my > >> > compelling logic against intellectual property rights. What damned > >> > "rights" on knowledge of any kind ? Or, why must we have to give > >> > references, when all we wish to say is ours, with us ? If it's not > >> > ours, for us to say, we should STFU ! > > >> > The formal aspect of Truth or truths is onerous. There are libraries > >> > out there where it goes dry. It is the informal one that I wish to put > >> > across : it is mine... and for that reason should be everyone's, of > >> > everything. And that ( informal aspect ) is... HOME. The search for > >> > that place which is truly ours, where we can rest without fear, free > >> > and fulfilled, which nothing in the whole universe can take away from > >> > us. Truth is our Home. > > >> > This is no parable I've begun. People are spent for and on a " home " > >> > for themselves. They build, buy, rent one for the body... house or > >> > apartment, car or craft. But then the worst a-holes amongst us come to > >> > believe that home they are so invested on is also the " home " to > >> > their emotion, to their thought, their identity, and their happiness > >> > too ! Well, it is and it definitely isn't. > > >> > The better ( a-hols ) take on a wife, friend, progeny or pet, > >> > community or cause, to engage their emotion-thought-identity where, > >> > with whom or which, one then feels at home. Of that our thought is > >> > preoccupied... that same ' faculty ' that had been used to focus on > >> > money to buy the home, on the value of food and worth of delicacies, > >> > on the relevance of what is beneficial and serves our purposes and > >> > what does not. > > >> > That pitch of ' acquisition,' value, worth, relevance... is also there > >> > in our thought and eye, as in it pre-exists and is consciously or > >> > subconsciously applied, for the home-objects of our emotion as well. > >> > For a lifetime, we carry that pitch to manage, manipulate, decide and > >> > deal with what is outside us to acquire the material home-object in > >> > our aim ... a domain that, for all practical purposes, encompasses > >> > everything. For everything, external and internal, is outside the > >> > agency, the ego-person, we are through the pursuit after our aim. > > >> > What is concurrent within, inside of us - the "ego-person," is a build > >> > up and an intensification of VANITY... which expresses as : " I > >> > possess;" " I win;" " I will acquire;" " I am successful." It is all a > >> > matter of process that is normal to our drive and inevitable to our > >> > search. But, as surely as sure can be, it is Vanity that also blocks > >> > our evolution and progression into the true Home to our emotion - > >> > which is Love, to our thought - which is Silence, to our identity - > >> > which is Zero, and to our spirit - which is Bliss Infinite. Because it > >> > limits us to what we have, even as it automatically makes us pore over > >> > all that we does not have; and, it is limiting because while with it > >> > we can never give up that " pitch " we have internalised along the > >> > journey and can hence never view and see things with Love and Silence, > >> > and be Zero with Bliss Infinite. > > >> > These are the real aspects and issues to spirituality : Home and > >> > Vanity. It is these that I find more pertinent than God or whatever. > >> > It is these that will make us be better and excel, that will address > >> > the monstrous twists with which people reduce the best of systems and > >> > opportunities to gutter, that will redress the moral deficit in our > >> > public and personal lives.
