Robot heaven is where my broken robot went to when no one was able to fix its survival gene. What other possibilities are you talking about?
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:35 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Women in the West (at least some) have been 'liberated' from financial > dominance and even some benefit queens choose to live without a > partner. What would the rules be if robots did more or less > everything and people were independent of money and today's fealty > relations? In primitive societies the hunter keeps the giraffe meat > for his mistresses - giving rat and smaller animals to his wife and > family. Women are more promiscuous when pregnant. What would a > society free of economic considerations like work be? > I agree a bit Don - if we give up competition we may be giving in to > our women having to wear black bags. The possibilities of robot > heaven at least suggest hard work does not have to be 'holy'. > > On 20 Sep, 06:03, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> Reminds me of the Fritz Lang classic Metropolis. Who's going to build and >> repair and innovate the robots? Other robots? Haven't you seen "I, Robot" >> or "Terminator?" There will always be greener grass somewhere and people >> will "compete" to occupy it. If it's not Financially perhaps we will have >> gladiatorial competitions to weed out the weak. Maybe we'll play chess for >> favors. Maybe we'll keep building robots to fight for us and play chess for >> us, I dunno. But we will always compete for what we want and we will always >> WANT what we don't HAVE. Doesn't matter if we already have everything maybe >> I want HER. Or HIM. Or that PARTICULAR view from that SPECIFIC condo or >> whatever. I'm no sociologist but I'm pretty sure the compitition gene is >> hardwired in the best of us and if we lose it we are doomed. I mean extinct >> doomed. >> >> dj >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:56:36 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >> > Thought experiments are devices of the imagination used to investigate >> > the nature of things. Thought experimenting often takes place when the >> > method of variation is employed in entertaining imaginative >> > suppositions. They are used for diverse reasons in a variety of areas, >> > including economics, history, mathematics, philosophy, and physics. >> > Most often thought experiments are communicated in narrative form, >> > sometimes through media like a diagram. Thought experiments should be >> > distinguished from thinking about experiments, from merely imagining >> > any experiments to be conducted outside the imagination, and from >> > psychological experiments with thoughts. They should also be >> > distinguished from counterfactual reasoning in general, as they seem >> > to require an experimental element. >> >http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/thought-experiment/ >> >> > One I like is the notion of robot heaven. It's easy enough to imagine >> > a time when machines grow our food, build our shelter and do our >> > work. The interesting stuff comes in thinking what this would mean >> > for wealth distribution and the nature of society. What work would be >> > left to do? One can also wonder what place any of our work ethics >> > would have in such a society. There may be some deconstructive effect >> > on just what current work ideologies are in place for. >> >> > One of the great improvements technology brought to my life is more or >> > less never having to go into a bank. The only real innovations in >> > banking are the ATM and electronic banking. This kind of technology >> > and similar in agriculture and industry fundamentally reduce the >> > amount of human effort to grow and make what we need. We are in >> > partial state of robot heaven. >> >> > Our ideologies are not up to speed. Real unemployment is massive and >> > education does little to provide job skills. We are sold life-styles >> > and products by insane advertising. Job creation seems to be in >> > perverse areas like financial services or bringing back attended gas- >> > pumps. With more efficient production we should be able to afford a >> > bigger social sector and I can't for the life of me understand why we >> > allow competition through crap wages and conditions. >> >> > A great deal of what we pay for could be available more or less free. >> > Educational content and utility banking are examples - these are areas >> > that could be ratinalised like agriculture and manufacturing. >> > Millions of jobs would go. We should be asking why jobs are so >> > central to out thinking on wealth distribution and how we might >> > encourage work without the rat race. > > -- > > > --
