No. :-) On Nov 11, 5:31 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > Are you including the lazy bones that are profiting solely from the > labors of others ?? that having excessive money invest it and work at > avoiding paying taxes??? > Allan > > > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 10:22 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > That is a gross misgeneralization re the rich. Who are the rich? The > > retirees with 6 figure pensions? Government pork? Celebrity bacon? > > Take away free enterprise and we will all be slaves to thieves and > > government. The work ethic makes sense to those work and build > > security but never makes sense to lazy bones. Okay, tell the Queen and > > Obama to rough it for a while- try that for a start- then cancel > > Oprah's "favorite things" that spur envy and debt. Good luck! > > > On Nov 10, 5:41 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> We lack simple explanation that isn't crass Allan. I have little > >> doubt the rich have stolen the wealth they have and it should be taken > >> from them - but how do we do this without it ending up with big > >> government that doesn't work any better? I think we are tranced by a > >> work ethic that really makes no sense. We need facts on just how much > >> work needs to be done and how we might organise that. Simples! Yet > >> no answer because we don't understand the 'trancing'. > > >> On 10 Nov, 07:15, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > From what I see is the answer lies in manufacturing. And crazy things > >> > like > >> > 50% less sales tax on products that are produced in the country origin, > >> > that includes good thru all industrial products. > > >> > Better tax collection on all international corporations and stock or > >> > money > >> > sent out of the country. > > >> > In the US all corporation papers say they agree to abide by all the laws > >> > and if they don't they lose all corporate rights and privileges. This > >> > needs to be enforced and you will see major changes in business. You have > >> > to remember tax evasion is against the law. > >> > Allan > > >> > Air gunner full of hot air ready to release it quickly > >> > On Nov 10, 2012 2:04 AM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > The weird thing is that we are being told all sorts of stuff can't be > >> > > 'afforded' - yet productivity is up by factors of ten since we did > >> > > decent things like national health services - we should be able to > >> > > afford loads more. In the UK we were told the answer was US > >> > > management, then Japanese - German stuff had too much industrial > >> > > democracy for our business ethos. Even the IMF has realised austerity > >> > > is a crock. We're in the grips of something else. Debt is the > >> > > obvious answer -but we have to address our attitudes towards it. Its > >> > > owned by robber barons and all link between work and reward has really > >> > > gone. > > >> > > On 9 Nov, 21:59, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > I totally agree with you management is based on rot..but from what I > >> > > > have been reading it is the same problem from eons ago,, unchanged > >> > > > what does it take to get management that is interested in the > >> > > > betterment of society .. the ideas sit with in beliefs which puts > >> > > > part of the burdens on religions ,, then the problems comes how does > >> > > > one get beliefs to work for the betterment of mankind in this world. > >> > > > Allan > > >> > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:45 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > Get your head back on Al - I know about the Japanese war crimes. > >> > > > > The > >> > > > > book I was referring to was written by a Japanese clown. The > >> > > > > point is > >> > > > > that management miracles are based on rot.. > > >> > > > > On 9 Nov, 19:07, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > >> Neil I had two uncles in ww II One in the European theater the > >> > > > >> other > >> > > > >> was in pacific theater and was captured even before the war > >> > > > >> started in > >> > > > >> my memory is right he survived 2 death ship and four death > >> > > > >> marches > >> > > > >> that is talking five years of imprisonment into account loss of > >> > > > >> close > >> > > > >> to 70 kilos.. you need to get your facts straight as to > >> > > > >> strategies of > >> > > > >> both wars.. and if Germany was acting like J ,, Berlin would > >> > > > >> have > >> > > > >> been Nuclear ashes also.. > > >> > > > >> Yes the US has serious fiscal problems.. thanks to some > >> > > > >> irresponsible politicians starting with the Reagan > >> > > > >> administration .. > >> > > > >> hopefully they will get something done . and stop sticking one > >> > > > >> thumb > >> > > > >> in their mouth and the other in their ass then rotating. > > >> > > > >> As for what happens iihope for the best but in reality we will > >> > > see.. > >> > > > >> Allan > > >> > > > >> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:23 PM, archytas <[email protected]> > >> > > > >> wrote: > > >> > >http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/us-debt-problems-threaten-t... > > >> > > > >> > The Germans are considering the USA as a potential Greece. > > >> > > > >> > I'm remembering attitudes towards Japan in the 1980s. There > >> > > > >> > was a > >> > > > >> > dreadful book called 'The Japan That Can Say No' which summaries > >> > > thus: > > >> > > > >> > + Japan must use its technological superiority as a negotiating > >> > > > >> > weapon, and it should > >> > > > >> > even threaten to trade secrets with the Soviet Union as a > >> > > > >> > bargaining > >> > > > >> > tool against the US and refuse to sell components that go into > >> > > > >> > US > >> > > > >> > missiles. > >> > > > >> > + The quality of American goods is low because the level of the > >> > > > >> > workers is low, while the superior education of Japanese > >> > > > >> > workers is > >> > > a > >> > > > >> > big advantage. > >> > > > >> > + The Japanese character is innately superior to the character > >> > > > >> > of > >> > > > >> > Americans. > >> > > > >> > + Americans believe that the Caucasian race is superior since > >> > > > >> > the > >> > > > >> > modern era is dominated by the western world, and this prejudice > >> > > will > >> > > > >> > hurt them in the end. > >> > > > >> > + Former American colonies are rife with problems, while former > >> > > > >> > Japanese colonies are thriving. > > >> > > > >> > + America's dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan and not > >> > > > >> > Germany in > >> > > > >> > World War II arose from racism because Germans are white people > >> > > > >> > and > >> > > > >> > Japanese are not. (Though at the time of the German defeat in > >> > > > >> > April > >> > > > >> > 1945, the atomic bomb was as yet incomplete and untested until > >> > > > >> > July > >> > > > >> > 16, 1945, so that may have been a factor) > >> > > > >> > + The trade surplus with the U.S. is caused by the lack of > >> > > > >> > desirable > >> > > > >> > products made in the U.S. > > >> > > > >> > I read it on a plane out there on a journey to discover their > >> > > > >> > shipbuilding secrets. I met a lovely bloke out there who told > >> > > > >> > me > >> > > the > >> > > > >> > idea of copying Japanese management secrets filled him with > >> > > > >> > dread. > >> > > > >> > The only secret was they were rotten, sexist and callous. Japan > >> > > fell > >> > > > >> > off its fiscal cliff when I left (1980s). Almost sadly, this > >> > > > >> > wasn't > >> > > > >> > because of anything I left behind. The 'brilliant' Japanese > >> > > > >> > management techniques were taught by lazy lecturers for the > >> > > > >> > next 20 > >> > > > >> > years. > > >> > > > >> > The coming fiscal cliff in the US isn't like Greece in that USD > >> > > > >> > can > >> > > be > >> > > > >> > printed at will. Der Spiegel says this: > > >> > > > >> > The US has more in common with heavily indebted southern > >> > > > >> > European > >> > > > >> > countries than it might like to admit. And if the country > >> > > > >> > doesn't > >> > > > >> > reach agreement on deficit reduction measures soon, the > >> > > > >> > similarities > >> > > > >> > could become impossible to ignore. The fiscal cliff looms in the > >> > > near > >> > > > >> > future, and its not just the US that is under threat. > > >> > > > >> > The US has finally voted and the dark visions of America's > >> > > > >> > future > >> > > > >> > broadcast on television screens across the country -- and most > >> > > > >> > intensively in battleground states -- have come to an end. > >> > > Supporters > >> > > > >> > of both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney had developed doomsday > >> > > scenarios > >> > > > >> > for what would happen if their candidate's opponent were to win. > >> > > Four > >> > > > >> > more years of Obama, the ads warned, would result in pure > >> > > socialism. A > >> > > > >> > Romney presidency would see the middle and lower classes > >> > > > >> > brutally > >> > > > >> > exploited. > > >> > > > >> > But following Obama's re-election, Americans are now facing a > >> > > > >> > different, much more real horror scenario: In just a few weeks > >> > > > >> > time, > >> > > > >> > thousands of children could be denied vaccinations, federally > >> > > > >> > funded > >> > > > >> > school programs could screech to a halt, adults may be forced to > >> > > > >> > forego HIV tests and subsidized housing vouchers would dry up. > >> > > > >> > Even > >> > > > >> > the work of air-traffic controllers, the FBI, border officials > >> > > > >> > and > >> > > the > >> > > > >> > military could be drastically curtailed. > > >> > > > >> > That and more is looming just over the horizon according to the > >> > > White > >> > > > >> > House if the country is allowed to plunge off the "fiscal > >> > > > >> > cliff" at > >> > > > >> > the beginning of next year. Coined by Federal Reserve head Ben > >> > > > >> > Bernanke, it refers to the vast array of cuts and tax increases > >> > > which > >> > > > >> > will automatically go into effect if Republicans and Democrats > >> > > > >> > can't > >> > > > >> > agree on measures to slash the US budget deficit. > > >> > > > >> > The answer is to abolish debt instead and start again with new > >> > > world- > >> > > > >> > wide agreements on workers' rights that abolishes races to the > >> > > > >> > bottom. This isn't much in comparison with losing wars and > >> > > > >> > having > >> > > to > >> > > > >> > rise from real ashes as Germany and Japan did. > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > > > >> -- > >> > > > >> ( > >> > > > >> ) > >> > > > >> |_D Allan > > >> > > > >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
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