The Anglican Church is expressing the view that we are alienated from 
politics and have lost the ability to open up the big questions and real 
concerns.  A proper, grown up debate is called for on the kind of country 
we want to be and the kingdom of God.  We are in danger of becoming a 
nation of strangers.  This is fine, yet not very constructive on what we 
need to do.

On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 3:21:53 PM UTC, archytas wrote:
>
> It's undoubtedly dire Allan.  It used to be written about in terms of the 
> creation of docile bodies and govern-mentality or governing the soul.  The 
> external mirrors make reality hard to grasp until it comes calling and you 
> find your real problems made invisible in the bright reflections.  We can't 
> even put up actual alternatives without them being sucked into the 'twirly 
> spirals' and the corporate-political money system that is resistant to all 
> alternatives.
>
> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:01:15 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>
>> There is nothing in the mirror to see. When you look in a glass 
>> reflecting mirror what you see is not a reflection of what is standing in 
>> front of the mirror,  rather the judgement hammered home by finally crafted 
>> commercials designed tell you what you are seeing. Who your soul is has 
>> little or nothing with the reflection in a piece of glass or a selfie.. 
>> A more accurate reflection of who we are can be seen online  in programs 
>> like Google+ or Facebook or twitter.  Each person's social page are a 
>> reflection of who they are. Look at the mirror of the news you see the true 
>> reflection of our society. The emphasis on killing  and financial greed..  
>> Where is the acts of kindness? I was raised in a christian  oriented  
>> society where is this being reflected? 
>> What I see is people hiding behind corparate skirts thinking they are 
>> protected. Behind these skirts they violate the morality they claim to 
>> have. I look at the situation in Greece the question comes to mind are the 
>> parties involved interested in helping the people of Greece or protecting  
>> their gold..  Oh I forgot they are the high priests of the Golden Calf 
>> Cult. 
>>
>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 3:02 AM
>> Subject: Mind's Eye issues on the non-reflecting mirror
>>
>> Allan mentioned that there might be nothing in the mirror to see. 
>>  Self-recognition in this sense has long been thought specifically human, 
>> though chimps can do it.  In many ways we live in a smoke and mirror 
>> society of personal image without depth.  Advertising seems a classic 
>> example.  Who would want to be an image in this wider mirror?  Gabby said a 
>> little on the individual sums of history that make the present - very 
>> Feynman in my reading.  No one is stronger than the man who can harness his 
>> emotion and his past - very military terminology leading to singing one's 
>> own death song and dying like a hero.  We have our own fundamentalist 
>> nonsense.  Good self knowledge is easily perverted to Attic tragedy.  This 
>> is presumably not what Gabby meant, yet the way most of our literature has 
>> gone, along with the bubbles of soap.  There are many mirrors in our 
>> society that do not reflect to direct perception.
>>
>> Mirrors, in a wider scientific sense, collect the signal in the noise. 
>>  Sometimes the noise is the signal.  Society seems to have mirrors 
>> collecting information and sending out something completely other than 
>> data, a form of extra-somatic mind control.  There may be good reasons not 
>> to see oneself reflected in this.  Tin foil hats don't seem to help.  The 
>> skin reflected in the real mirror is more of a block to any real image of 
>> what we are.  We reflect what is being decided outside self, rather than 
>> form internal identity in the sense of subjectivity.  The machine is 
>> already with us.  Consciousness in important ways is no longer human, but 
>> more like an extra-somatic hall of mirrors.
>>
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