When people do wrong knowing they justify it because their soul knows it is wrong and they should not be doing it.
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others -----Original Message----- From: RP Singh <[email protected]> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, 08 Mar 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: We are going backwards. Sure Allan, but these criminals seek excuses to justify themselves to others and themselves. As a matter of fact there is no excuse for any crime and a criminal has to bear the consequences of his act. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 12:02 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > There is no justification for rape in any form or of any gender. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: RP Singh <[email protected]> > To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> > Sent: Sun, 08 Mar 2015 3:36 AM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: We are going backwards. > > The women dressing sense developed in the west gradually and it was not > copying others but an indigenous matter and as it was a gradual process the > western society as a whole was able to accept it. But in India it was not > so, some educated girls started copying the west and Indian society as a > whole was not prepared for it, and that is the reason that some backward > sections of our society find it unacceptable, but still it has nothing to > do with rape, which is a criminal act and done by criminal people. The > reasons that such people give for it is just a justification for their > criminal deed and not the real reason. > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 6:21 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The argument that there are rapes in India because girls are not raised >> up as equals with comparison to boys is not correct. If today girls are >> entering into the workforce is not as a result of girls asserting >> themselves but because their families are giving them a chance to make a >> career for themselves. The parents, brothers, and husbands are co-operating >> with the girls, they are encouraging the girls to go out and become career >> girls and this is not limited to just the urban population but also >> applicable to villagers. Consider the position of women a few centuries >> back in Europe and America, they were just housewives and were not >> encouraged to become doctors and engineers. India was an occupied country >> for a long time and the proceed of this land was taken overseas and the >> people as a mass were poor and uneducated, and as such women did not have >> chance to go out and work. There were a few jobs available and it was taken >> by boys. >> Today as India is progressing more and more women are going out to work >> even those belonging to the villages. Rapes are not happening because girls >> are not considered as equal to men , but because of a criminal mindset of >> some people. Formerly even women of the west were wearing discrete clothes >> and it has taken time for women sexuality to assert itself in the west. As >> the west is the leader in this respect the issue of attire was never raised >> as there was no one to compare with. Here as women are becoming modern, >> including their families, comparisons are drawn with the west because it is >> there to compare with. >> It is the uneducated and backward people here in India who are making a >> issue of dress in the name of culture and it is criminal mentality in some >> people which is making them rape and terrorize girls. Today girls are >> making friends with boys and it is accepted by their families, but India >> still holds spiritual values and it is expected that the relationship of >> the sexes remain pure, just as it was the case with the west. >> I have not seen the documentary but from what I have heard it appears >> that the cause of rapes in India is being said to be due to unequal >> upbringing of girls and boys. But this is far from the truth, Indians are >> going through the same phase of development that the west went through a >> century ago. WE are progressing as a people and very fast, and if there is >> crime, and I consider rape to be a crime, it is because of the criminal >> mentality of some people. Criminals always justify their actions they never >> say that they are doing wrong but lay the blame on others and as such the >> statements of the rapists and their backward advocates should not be taken >> as the truth. Rape occurs just like anywhere else because of cheap >> mentality of some people and the justification given by some people is due >> to a prejudiced mindset. Indians as a people are progressive and crime >> should be taken to be what it is and not otherwise. >> >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 12:35 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Time published an article making the following points on India: >>> >>> 1. More rapes are being reported now: Along with the modernization of >>> society, more Indian women are being educated and are going out to work. >>> They are breaking out of the subservient mold that society had given to >>> them and are more independent. While this means they are more likely to be >>> sexually abused, it also means they are more likely — compared with women >>> of a previous generation — to report rapes and confront sexual predators. >>> In the three months after the Delhi gang rape, the number of rapes reported >>> in the city more than doubled to 359, from the 143 reported in >>> January-March of 2012. This doesn’t necessarily mean more rapes are >>> happening now, just that more women are emboldened to come out and report. >>> >>> 2. India actually has a high conviction rate for rape: According to the >>> Guardian, just 7% of reported rapes in the U.K. resulted in convictions >>> during 2011-12. In Sweden, the conviction rate is as low as 10%. France had >>> a conviction rate of 25% in 2006. Poor India, a developing nation with >>> countless challenges, managed an impressive 24.2% conviction rate in 2012. >>> That’s thanks to the efforts of a lot of good people — police, lawyers, >>> victims and their families — working heroically with limited resources. >>> >>> 3. The media report everything: According to Dave Prager, the American >>> author of Delirious Delhi, crimes that “wouldn’t garner even a sentence in >>> an American paper because so many bigger crimes would elbow it out of the >>> way” are obsessively reported in Indian news publications. Post the Delhi >>> gang rape, Indian media have faithfully recorded each and every rape case, >>> highlighted them for the world and continue to do so. >>> >>> 4. Most Indians, men and women, hate the reputation that rapists have >>> given their country: No country in the world can claim to have witnessed >>> protests against rape on the scale of India’s, where people turned out in >>> the tens of thousands to voice their shock and sadness. It was people power >>> that forced the government to change existing rape laws and drew the >>> world’s attention to the problem. What happens in other countries? This may >>> not be a typical example, but the rape of a teen girl by high school >>> football players in the Steubenville, Ohio had many in the town >>> sympathizing with the rapists and not the victim. >>> >>> And in Poodleland UK, government is refusing to release very old files >>> on child sex abuse (and murder) involving politicians. More than 500,000 >>> women and children were trafficked in the first year after wall fall. >>> >>> On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 6:04:51 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>> >>>> The point to me is these Indians don't seem to trust the law to do >>>> much. And they don't look like vigilantes to me either. I'll be your >>>> Poodle Gabby, as long as you mash my food. >>>> >>>> On Saturday, 7 March 2015 13:07:16 UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm with Molly on this one. Your comparison deflects from the issue. >>>> Brits have become so wimpy these days - monarchic poodles of the great >>>> Republicans. Triangulation is key here. Grass roots empowerment for >>>> the front garden lawn, but not in the corn fields where they minimize the >>>> harvest output! No Bottom-up grass without Top-down sunshine control! >>>> >>>> Am Samstag, 7. März 2015 schrieb archytas : >>>> >>>> Not my idea of one either Molly. Though better this kind of violence >>>> than being shepherded into war quietly. >>>> >>>> On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 10:22:58 PM UTC, Molly wrote: >>>> >>>> Not the grass roots movement I had in mind. I'm with Allan on this >>>> one. Murder in response to anything is not the answer. (Self defense is >>>> different.) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 5:20:12 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >>>> >>>> Thousands of furious Indians swarmed the streets to publicly - and >>>> violently - kill a man who was suspected of being a rapist. >>>> >>>> The pictures have emerged after they broke into a prison, kidnapped the >>>> man, stripped him naked and mercilessly beat him to death in front of a >>>> frenzied crowd. >>>> >>>> A 25-year-old believed to be part of the mob was injured when police >>>> opened fire and he later died in hospital. >>>> >>>> >>>> Taking justice into their own hands, the angry crowd was a terrifying >>>> portrayal of the country's increasingly aggressive stance against sexual >>>> violence. >>>> >>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2981515/Justice-Indi >>>> an-style-Angry-mob-breaks-prison-kidnaps-man-accused-raping- >>>> student-stripping-naked-dragging-four-miles-beating-death-street.html >>>> >>>> On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 8:17:55 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>> >>>> Thiedeous. >>>> >>>> On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 8:06:46 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> Into te deep blue sea.. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 7:26 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: We are going backwards. >>>> >>>> Aw - the owl and the pussycar sailed away ... >>>> >>>> On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 6:19:25 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: >>>> >>>> Do you enjoy poetry? >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to >>>> >>>> ... >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>> >>>> ... >>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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