Good thinking in there Andrew. The eventual morality is not good for free speech. It is possible to put aside manners and question what role they play in ignorance and bullying. I assume this is part of Gabby's frame of underlying violence. Trust is involved in this, assuming others aren't the sort to really lurk in shadows with an ice pick of revenge. There have been many polite societies living in the comfort of manners, etiquette and politesse on the backs of slaves - all really full of arrogance, disrespect and hypocrisy concealed in "learning". The violence of society civilised by manners has been explored (Norbert Elias). There's a rather wonderful film - 'Burke and Hare' - that links the body-snatchers to Darwin and stresses hypocrisy. There's a brilliantly funny sex scene in it, lamentably unusual.
I don't really know what Gabby's frame is, though she has been courteous to say I still come out to play..As a kid I was dragged along to play with various cousins I had nothing in common with and some poor sod who was locked in his room to learn piano two hours a day - and would have been his punching bag if not too quick on my feet. It's hard to know where the therapy line is drawn. There are many frames of interpretation. Gabby may even have been instructing us on various roles and our lack of imagination, perhaps even of the stubbornness of people who will speak in front of others. Most people are chronically petty and insular to their own world view - at least as evidenced in our literature and whatever the internet is. The tree falls silently in a beige universe, whose signals we turn into a virtual cognition (though there is one-way creation in this interpretation). Such pennies rarely drop in our education system. We talk framed by context - even the idea of 'staying on thread' is a frame of violence, given we often solve difficult problems from left field and new frames. In academic staff meetings, one frame is making sure you leave the room with nothing to do, and put students into groups and you 'find' (already know) they will just discover how pointless other people are other than to their own idle yet libidinous plan. The phrase 'work out what you want to do' instigates panic they run away from. The better kids soon desert the others. One can guess the frame of another and play its games in an attempt to understand them. What do you do with someone who doesn't know of the beige universe, its silent falling trees and on to quasars spinning at a quarter of the speed of light? And those kids who can't or won't listen to this other, turning everything to the soggy mediocrity of their own comfort? Including the teacher who tells the kids all sorts of 'comforting' (to her) stuff about the education they can't do in later life? Gabby hits some nails, though I think some of them get bent and need to be taken out and straightened to better explanation. Feedback that Bitcoin is boring, old hat and so on, is rather like the falling tree - the argument should lead to recognition of how conventional money is and how we might change it. This is a tough ask here, when less than 10% of our MPs know nearly all money is created by private banks - though one suspects the real problem is not just ignorance but an unwillingness to give to the argument of another. Gabby's Hope Sunshine was at least a very clever attempt at non-verbal conversation in text production. I rather admire the woman - but don't tell her ... On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 5:54:52 PM UTC, andrew vecsey wrote: > > I was just responding to your question. I will try to explain. Let`s say > that you are "bullied" by me and ignore me for it. As I understood your > question, you were pondering what happens next. How do I respond to that. > One way or ways I might respond is to change your ignoring me to trying to > make you look or feel ignorant. How can I do that? I give 4 possible > scenarios. > > 1. I could continue to bully you anonymously or to make you think that > I am not the only one who is bullying you by bullying you in the name of > another name. > 2. I could try to derail you or your line of thought hoping you will > feel confused and frustrated and weakened. > 3. I could make it all into a joke belittling you and making fun of you > 4. I could combine the 3 ways above by using something that people > consider very "deep with meaning" but is actually meaningless. For example > I could refer your reaction to a well known work of art by Picasso that > many claim has deep underlying genius, or say something like "Does a > falling tree make a sound when there is no one to hear it?" leaving you > hopefully a bit confused. > > As far as hearing in my reply "blind allegations", your hearing is right > on. That is the reply to your other question pondering how we the members > identify ourselves with in such a situation. My allegation is that we all > use these ways to turn being ignored into ignorance. And that sometimes we > are blind and do not see that when we try to make someone else look or feel > ignorant, we are also showing our own ignorance. I claim that disrespect, > arrogance, and hypocrisy are all faces of ignorance. > > On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 3:17:56 PM UTC+1, Hope Sunshine wrote: >> >> Hello and thank you for entering this multilogue here Andrew! >> Unfortunately I cannot make any real connections to what you are saying >> here, all I see is blind allegations. But maybe the others will be able to >> make their rhyme on it. Cheers anyways. >> >> Am Sonntag, 15. März 2015 09:24:56 UTC+1 schrieb andrew vecsey: >>> >>> Your very interesting question has been ignored by all "thinkers" in >>> this group of thinkers, except for facilitator who points out the >>> difference between "ignoring" and "ignorance". >>> As to your question of where the "unwanted that is ignored" go? For >>> those who successfully ignore it, it shouldn`t matter. It seeks attention >>> elsewhere by changing its form. This can be done by various ways or >>> combinations of ways such as: >>> >>> 1. Changing its name to a new name, AKA "hiding behind a new ID", or >>> "showing weakness", >>> 2. Derailing the topic AKA "going off topic" or "showing ignorance". >>> 3. Making fun of it,AKA "showing arrogance". >>> 4. Using shallow and meaningless words that can not be understood >>> and normally assumed to be "deep", AKA "being a hypocrite". >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 12:01:33 PM UTC+1, Hope Sunshine wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello my fellow sunshiners, >>>> >>>> how is everyone doing today? Giving the best you can? Great! :-) >>>> >>>> Let's if we can push it a little further and take a closer look at the >>>> argument that ignoring the unwanted is a viable strategy in surviving in >>>> systems that depend on the existence of bullies. >>>> How much con you identify with seeing yourself placed in such a system? >>>> Which role would you like to take there? Where to can the ignored "stuff" >>>> escape? >>>> Any suggestions? >>>> >>>> Speak up as not to be spoken for, my fellow sunshiners. :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-eD7JydMkCX8/VQFx6FKiG5I/AAAAAAAAABY/F00luPRrYkg/s1600/Speak%2BUp.jpg> >>>> >>>> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
