According to Zerohedge 96% of Americans believe there will be more riots this year - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-04/96-americans-expect-more-civil-unrest-us-cities-summer. Another ZH story makes me think we haven't worked out how ludicrous our laws are - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-05/florida-man-faces-15-year-sentence-sex-beach-still-no-bankers-jail - alleging a 15 year sentence for a couple having sex on a beach.
On Wednesday, May 6, 2015 at 1:48:23 AM UTC+1, archytas wrote: > > Can't help noting - In the part of Baltimore hardest hit by the recent > riots and arson, more than a third of families live in poverty, median > income is $24,000, the unemployment rate is over 50%, some areas burnt out > in the riots of 1968 have never been rebuilt, incarceration rates are sky > high, 33% of the homes are vacant (thanks to an ongoing foreclosure > crisis), and water service is being shut off for people who can’t afford to > pay rising water rates. Residents, mainly black, live in what is really an > unofficially segregated, hollowed-out Rust Belt city that just happens to > be located on the East Coast. > More than 70% of Baltimore’s police force lives beyond the city limits, at > least 10% of them out-of-state. The Baltimore PD is also notorious for its > brutality, for the numbers of (black) residents it seems to gun down, and > for its give-not-an-inch “broken windows” policing policies. In a city that > is 62% black and 28% white, police officers are still 46% white and 80% > outsiders heading into neighborhoods that are almost totally black Unlike > the residents of such neighborhoods, Baltimore’s police lack for little. > Thanks in part to Pentagon and other government programs, the force is > armed to the teeth in the increasingly military fashion that has become the > post-9/11 state of things (and that TomDispatch has been covering since > 2004.) It acts as if it were, that is, an occupying army, not a > neighborhood protector. In this sense, “community policing” is now a joke > in the U.S. Surely we have all seen The Wire? The BPD also comes equipped > with “Hailstorm” or “Stingray” technology, developed in America’s distant > war zones to conduct wireless surveillance of enemy communications. This > would allow officers to force cell phones to connect to it, to collect > mobile data, and to jam cell signals within a one-mile radius. > > What we are seeing in the dark corners of cyberspace is of a piece with > what we are seeing in the streets of our cities: the leading edge of a new > age of domestic counterinsurgency. From black sites to Bearcats, sound > cannons to stink bombs, drones to data mining, the component parts of a new > police counterinsurgency program are being assembled with remarkable speed. > While the basic architecture of this program has been in place ever since > 9/11, it is being built up in new and ever more sophisticated ways. The > point of all of this: to keep an eye on our posts and tweets, intimidate > protesters before they hit the streets, pen them in on those streets, and > ensure that they pay a heavy price for exercising their right to assemble > and speak. The message is loud and clear in twenty-first-century America: > protest at your peril. The same is true in the UK, though with less > armament. > > My deepest concern is that the "black" protests are really pretty hapless > and what we have lost sight of is civil liberty and where its roots lie. I > also think we can't address these problems rationally at all because we > have already censored the role of staying ahead of everyone else. > > > > On Tuesday, May 5, 2015 at 6:22:47 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> Good to see you are feeling better. . I read about thebfight after it >> was over.. >> >> Hmm must be miss reading things.. "One number is for the police to come >> and resolve the situation the other number is to contact an angry mob". >> There are a lot of problems with law enforcement. . But even the thought of >> having a number to contract a mob." I also read the rest.. still leaves me >> wondering about a moral foundation. >> >> Eliminating the professional politicians and staff might be a start.. and >> strict oversight if the spin doctors.. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tue, 05 May 2015 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Cops and robbers >> >> " propensity to disseminate eviscerated reason" - Allan as the shark >> careless with the entrails of logic - very much an 'I came for the beer but >> stayed for the show' moment. >> >> I'm still not right. Hospital for some tests on Friday. Even fell >> asleep in the Mayweather fight and later ANZAC Test - though Warrington's >> derby game against Widnes (Rugby League) had me very much awake via radio >> commentary - we won with 6 seconds left of the clock with a try from our >> Aussie captain, very much a rehabilitated man after leaving the Antipodes >> under a cloud (involving monkeys) years ago. >> >> As I take Tony, he's pointing to mob rule being a reason to have >> policing, not for mob rule. I've long believed we have missed the beat on >> policing - it shares the same Greek root (from polis) as polite. We the >> polis should do most policing. We don't seem to grip these practical >> matters much. If we want democracy we need our police and armed services >> to be 'of us'. I have a scheme in mind. We had major anti-police protests >> in the UK in my time - about a white East End crook called George Davis and >> a black crook Leroy (forget surname). People went about wearing >> 'George/Leroy is Innocent' T-shirts - neither of them was remotely innocent >> and were later caught committing robberies on camera. What we never did >> was investigate why so many people got behind these crooks Since then >> political correctness has made even research impossible. I guess this is >> less to do with calling black people black and more about our inability to >> look at what is going on straight in the eye. If our black communities >> have much rationality, why does their protest come over such (generally) >> wasters? What is the relation between our media reporting on riots but not >> sensible disputation have to bear on the real issues? Why is the "expert" >> opinion we are allowed to see so utterly crap? >> >> Libertarian "solutions" often seem little better than anarchist ones, >> always harking to mythical beasts like "free trade", "less government", >> "free human nature" and other three-card tricks. Other "solutions" like >> education have also failed - our politicians are educated to somewhere >> pre-101 - but academics show little sign of being better. I would guess we >> need to rethink practical democracy and what humans would do without >> current poverty incentives. I don't think we have the guts to get the real >> problems to the table of public scrutiny. Many of the solutions strike me >> as the major problems. >> >> Black rule has been a very notable failure from Zimbabwe to Detroit - >> though how long is it since the most educated and cultured white people >> were voting for Hitler? If we gave the financial system over to black >> people, could it do any worse? Who would vote for a black takeover of our >> police? We need to find the difficult questions and start talking - I >> think we will be shooting looters long before this. >> >> On Tuesday, May 5, 2015 at 12:16:13 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> If past history is any record they probably already in place.. but >>> political greed has been working at handcuffing federal law enforcement. . >>> Mainly to hide there crimes.. they didn't lije the Nixon Affair.. >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Tue, 05 May 2015 1:06 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Cops and robbers >>> >>> The news here last week in Detroit (and demonstrations afterward) was >>> that an 18 year old boy was shot and killed by a police officer. Sounds >>> bad. It was a federal officer serving a warrant. Still bad. The warrant was >>> two years old (took them two years to find him.) His father was there also. >>> Sounds inept. The boy had a record of violent crime and drug trafficking. >>> the warrant was for drugs. The father had a long record and was involved. >>> They were in a crack house not a family home. The boy came at an officer >>> with a hammer before he was shot. The plot thickens. >>> >>> There were many stories surrounding this event, most had a fraction of >>> the facts needed for a clear picture of what happened and many were steeped >>> in inaccuracy. We are at a turning point here in how we handle crime on >>> every level. I hold the press responsible - even though they are an >>> industry in crisis because of a changing business model with paper news and >>> TV news becoming dinosaurs. Can they vet the stories without proper >>> funding? I think if they can't, they should shut down. they have a sacred >>> trust they are not meeting, turning instead to sensationalism and melodrama >>> to get ratings and advertisers. >>> >>> Then there is the problem of the protest for hire, making millions for >>> some paid to stir up national issues, lately surrounded by race. When did >>> this start? Who needs the distraction? >>> >>> Then there is the problem of the growing transparency in law enforcement >>> that technology creates. After centuries of brute force and corruption, the >>> rapid change necessary will not always occur and the result will be ugly. >>> >>> Then there is the new problem of organized street gangs jumping on riots >>> everywhere to cash in, a new revenue stream. This is getting interesting, >>> and not in a good way. My guess is there is a federal gang task force on >>> the horizon modeled after Elliot Ness (because we don't have any current >>> models). >>> >>> That leaves the biggest problem that I see, all of the people caught up >>> in it, losing their businesses to fire and looting, their lives to injury >>> and trauma. Left like my friends, whose lives were never the same after >>> 1967. Baltimore may go the way of Detroit after this. Fear creates >>> population flight after that kind of horror. >>> >>> On Tuesday, May 5, 2015 at 3:50:05 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> Of course the evidence is going to bend toward the prosecution. That is >>>> the evidence they want to finf to convict.. they are trying to find thr >>>> perps .. unfortunately over zealous narrow minded cops and the legal >>>> system jump to conclusions. >>>> After mob action you wonder about whether in a war zone.. I remember >>>> the riots of the 60's. And the devestation is very rule.. how do you >>>> stop >>>> gang rule? Heavy handed law enforcement.. that is not the solution >>>> either.. >>>> neither is mob rule.. the solution is some where but neither of those >>>> solutions are valid.. >>>> >>>> Molly is right. Society needs to find the real problem there is a very >>>> valid way and that is follow the money. . It is surprisingly the results >>>> when light is shined in areas where people don't want their activities >>>> know.. often hiding behind a false veil of morality. >>>> >>>> Public morality is a totally different topic. . Looking at it ... hmm >>>> it applies only to the other guy.. (I will leave off the snide remark as >>>> it is not a valid contribution ) >>>> >>>> Am really glad feeling better Neil and Molly. Have been there a while >>>> back.. did not like the feeling of death warmed over.. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Tue, 05 May 2015 12:09 AM >>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Cops and robbers >>>> >>>> Thanks for chiming in, Neil. Good to know you can. You just gotta feel >>>> better soon. It has been much too long. >>>> >>>> On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 1:37:18 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm still too poorly to focus. Facil's solution is still a de facto >>>>> one for some. People don't call cops because they don't help and often >>>>> make things worse. You call the local fixers. Our justice systems don't >>>>> hang the right people either, with even forensic evidence found to be 85% >>>>> bent to the prosecution. Cops visit 13 year old kids who have been raped >>>>> and do nothing (I had to find other crimes to hang on perpetrators). I >>>>> see >>>>> Tony's point and agree it despite these reservations. >>>>> >>>>> Deep in this we are being had by "experts". and failed economics - >>>>> not much use in time if your car is set on fire. I expect some kind of >>>>> work to rule from cops asking why they should put themselves at risk for >>>>> such an ungrateful public, though would like to see us all do public >>>>> order >>>>> policing as a civic duty. >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, 4 May 2015 15:42:02 UTC+1, facilitator wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The solution is simple. Two emergency numbers for people to call . >>>>>> One number is for the police to come and resolve the situation the >>>>>> other >>>>>> number is to contact an angry mob. The police might make mistakes and >>>>>> the >>>>>> court system might not be quick enough in terms of justice. The mob on >>>>>> the >>>>>> other hand would be swift justice but they may not hang the right >>>>>> person. >>>>>> Let the people decide. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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