I would support the FAIR TAX as well. I also want to see less money wasted 
whether it is in the military or anywhere else. Allowing private citizens 
to decide where their money went might go a long way to getting that money 
where the "people" want it. Defense would be at the top of my list but I 
reckon it might not even be on yours. If we were to replace your 
"Republican party" with "Executive branch" I would agree with you 100% 
there as well. Even the term "neo liberal" has gone through several changes 
since the 30's. I think I agree with the definition Democrats hate the 
most. Kinda "What would Obama do?" -then I would most likely support the 
opposite. Except killing terrorists; I support him in that. 

 I think with the constant news cycle and instant saturation we could 
dispense with traditional ways of collecting taxes and do a modern way of 
"get the money where it needs to be" THe first thing I 'd lower would be 
politicians perks. They are loaded. 

dj


On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 1:42:04 PM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> Everyone needs to pay their FAIR share of taxes based on income.. the 
> special tax breaks for the extremely wealthy need to end..
>
> There are a lot of problems.  Tax avoidance is a major problem. Wasting 
> money on the military is another. The unconstutional patriots act needs to 
> be totally negated and the NSA disassembled. (Seems like that is a program 
> developed by the Republican party to give them absolute control )
>
> There is a lot that needs to be done like bring back constitutional law. 
> We need to escape from  republican dictatorship. . Incidentally the Nazi 
> ruling elite move a lot of their families out of Germany because they saw 
> what was happening. .
>
> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Johnson <[email protected] <javascript:>>
> To: Minds Eye <[email protected] <javascript:>>
> Sent: Sun, 17 May 2015 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Freedom Falls
>
> The ability to communicate is important, yes. Sometimes this takes 
> enormous effort, however, and frankly most of us are too busy, too 
> illinformed, too lazy or, I'm sad to say, too stupid to do so. I'm probably 
> at least 3 of those myself hell I probably shouldn't even be allowed to 
> vote. I agree there's very little difference between our choices of 
> government these days. I see things really going to hell fairly soon. High 
> debt, monetary easing, interest rates already practically at 0 and 
> unemployment at record levels despite the lies fed us by our governments. 
> What if China goes bankrupt? Who's going to loan us money? I wouldn't put 
> it past the current administration to just steal from those they think have 
> too much already. Alexander Hamilton would not approve. The Republic would 
> officially be over as, in my mind, it already is unofficially. 
>
> Too many have a cavalier attitude about debt. We are spoiled beyond 
> belief. You say, Neil, that "neo-liberalism" has failed. I submit the 
> enormous prosperity brought on by freer markets since the turn of the 18th 
> century and the wealth this has generated and the inventions and progress 
> flowing from business friendly environs and global trade has been truly 
> fantastic. Has it all been sunshine and roses? Well, no. Those two wars 
> were certainly inconveinant. Breaking up Ma Bell and Standard Oil were 
> neccesary to protect us from the excesses of Capitalism. It is time to 
> protect ourselves from the excesses of Socialism. Actually, I believe it is 
> past time to break up the monopoly the Federal Government has become. I'll 
> take Thatcher in drag over Obama's redistribution tactics any day of the 
> week and Sunday too. 
>
> Along with this excess of prosperity has come lethargy and atrophy. 
> Resting on our laurels as it were. Steadily eroding society's ability to 
> recover on our own. We've become such a Nanny State here in the USA many 
> feel no obligation to provide for their families. We EXPECT the police to 
> protect us, the government to provide us with shelter and food in 
> emergencies(or all the time in some cases) and to always have a doctor 
> available for free when we are sick. This is hugely difficult to achieve in 
> opulent times and impossible when the fecal matter hits the rotary 
> oscillator and blood is running in the streets. This expectation cripples 
> our chances of meaningful recovery. Same with the bank bailouts. Does 
> anyone think they would have loaned so irresponsibly if they thought they'd 
> be covering their own losses? It's going to happen again because we have no 
> accountability. The politicians and bankers that created the sub-prime 
> mortgage mess are still in power for the most part(or soon will be, yes, I 
> mean the Clintons) and richer then ever. I don't begrudge them riches it 
> just chaffs my backside how they got it. Liars and theives. Investing your 
> money, taking calculated risks and winning some and losing others is part 
> of the game. Too many have rigged the system by stacking the deck with 
> favorable regulations, taxes, tariffs and laws. This is crony capitalism 
> and it's what we have and I hate it. In my mind, if government didn't have 
> the massive power and influence they currently have things would be more 
> competitive and therefore more friendly to us consumers. Starve the beast. 
>
> Why are you anti austerity? Should Greece be rewarded, yet again, for 
> their duplicity and mismanagement? I agree that Germany is probably the 
> best of all of us Western countries at productivity. I submit much of their 
> troubles comes from trying to fund other country's cock-ups. That's better 
> then going to war again, certainly, but one would hope some of these other 
> countries would start taking better care of themselves. But really, why 
> should they? 
>
> One good thing about Obama giving Saudi Arabia and Israel and various 
> other "so-called" friendly nations the finger and trying to cozy up to 
> "Death to America!" Iran is that it should be a wake up call to them. Hey 
> SA, maybe when we ask you nicely to drill for more oil you shoud accomodate 
> us for a few months to help us over the hump. Hey Israel, maybe you 
> shouldn't steal our military secrets. Payback is a bitch; especially when 
> it's served cold. 
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 2:51 AM, <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> It is very good to read your input again Neil..  still want to see a 
>> cricket match. And i have not forgotten. .   But it will take some planning 
>> before hand as i have to make travel  and lodging  reservations.  
>>
>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: archytas <[email protected] <javascript:>>
>> To: [email protected] <javascript:>
>> Sent: Sun, 17 May 2015 8:24 AM
>> Subject: Mind's Eye Freedom Falls
>>
>> We used to be able to think that if we obeyed the law, "they" would leave 
>> us alone..  I doubt this was ever true.  When the "social contract" is 
>> broken the idea is that we revolt.  The threat of this revolt is supposed 
>> to control those in power.  "Mob rule" has changed over the years and we 
>> have great fear of revolution and perhaps now view it in terms of the 
>> famous Russian curse 'may you live in interesting times'.  Molly framed 
>> this in terms of 'cops and robbers' - the largely black protests about 
>> their treatment by cops and the Establishment - yet seen as riots against 
>> police violence.  This situation is complex, not least because most of us 
>> want protection against so many of the people the police take action 
>> against.  Tony gets a lot of this right in his question about whether you 
>> want to call cops or a mob.  Writ larger than this we have seen the old 
>> Soviet empire collapse and the Arab springs.  Democracy and transitional 
>> economics have not worked even though many 'braved the bullets' and we have 
>> seen elections.  The election situation is close to that in Germany when 
>> the Nazis and Communists were putting themselves up for election with the 
>> express intent of having no more elections - think the Muslim Brotherhood 
>> and the situation in Iran.
>>
>> I think we should be overthrowing government.  Yet I hardly want the 
>> 'interesting times' many in the Middle East are suffering or the riots in 
>> Baltimore or those in the UK, which spread like wildfire after the shooting 
>> of Mark Duggan.  I want an end to the state terrorism that has long existed 
>> in "empire".  There are only 22 countries (out of about 180) that Britain 
>> did not invade in empire days, the US having almost caught up on this list 
>> of shame.  Yet I also don't want to live under foreign jackboots or Sharia 
>> Law.
>>
>> In recent UK elections I voted Green.  I would have voted for the 
>> Scottish National Party, given the chance, but I live in England.  This is 
>> because the SNP is a Scandinavian-style social democratic  and 
>> anti-austerity party.  Our Labour Party in now an anachronism and fit only 
>> for dissolution.  I had no real vote for anything I would support and our 
>> first-past-the-post system is a paradigm in decadent decay - to the extent 
>> Britain feels increasingly fascist.  I say this having lived and worked in 
>> the old Soviet block best described as the USSR (four words four lies) and 
>> Middle Eastern terror states (best described by an old Iraqi friend 
>> disgusted by Saddam, but who said 'at least he keeps the Mullahs off our 
>> backs).  Political choice in the UK and US is really no choice at all - we 
>> essentially "choose" one form of neo-liberalism or the other.  This is 
>> really not unlike the "choice" in Soviet or third-world voting systems 
>> where there is a one-party state.  Karl Popper said it mattered much less 
>> who we elect and much more what control we have over those who get in 
>> power.  We have lost a great deal of this control.  Blair was elected here 
>> on our democratic urges, yet became Thatcher in drag and a disgusting war 
>> criminal.  I even suspect Thatcher would have kept us out of Iraq and 
>> Afghanistan.  Of course, we never got to vote as a public about the wars 
>> since WW2,that have claimed more than 25 million and have many more living 
>> in "interesting times".
>>
>> Now, many living in these interesting times are trying to flee them and 
>> we face massive immigration pressures from countries freed from the Soviet 
>> yolk and various dictatorships we have deposed.  There is other blow-back 
>> too.  Francis mentioned the 'rough beast' of WB Yeats the other day and I 
>> now dream of something vile to come - the the dream content is empty of 
>> what this will be.  I think this content may be empty because it is played 
>> out in the main media theatre that flows past our eyes.  We are hands-on in 
>> almost nothing these days, as clueless as undergraduates in the theatre of 
>> corrupt higher education.  Hardly any literature tries to deal with the 
>> reality - there is no Belassario producing anything other than government 
>> propaganda.
>>
>> We are living in an Emperor's New Clothes age.  I defy anyone to read and 
>> understand company accounts and what is passed in front of us government 
>> statistics.  It takes me days to find killer entries in the accounts of 
>> even disasters like Tesco and even then one can only find the money trail 
>> to a £250 million hole that is really £6.4 billion one.  I can vouch that 
>> we are being lied to on the economy and could argue this on the quants, but 
>> there is almost no point in a society where most are innumerate.  Much 
>> business accounting and economics is expressed like this:
>>
>> 1. The Conservatives won a majority in the election.
>> 2. Forget this 'majority' is 37% of those eligible to vote.
>> 3. Forget that 10 million we not registered to vote ("majority" down to 
>> 20%)
>> 4. Lots more forgetting that votes only matter in 14% of our 
>> constituencies and only 20% of people in them ...
>>
>> The "majority" is achieved by influencing perhaps as few of 5% of the 
>> total population.
>>
>> Freedom has fallen because we are not capable of rational discussion.  
>> Answer - lets educate everyone to be capable of rational discussion - a 
>> great Catch 22 as we are obviously no good at education.  Arghh! 
>>
>>
>>
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