NightStrike schrieb:
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Wolfgang Glas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Since we are waiting for gcc-4.4.0 being released by the SC we should take
>> the
>> time a think about the way mingw-w64 will be presented to the user once it's
>> getting more stable. (AFAIK, it *is* already very stable)
>>
>> Making available nightly snapshots is a fine thing by now, but starting with
>> gcc-4.4.0 there should be an "official" mingw-w32 and mingw-w64 release with
>> releases notes et al.. Otherwise, package maintainers will have a hard time
>> to
>> query each user which sends in a bug report for the exact snapshot he or she
>> is
>> using.
>>
>> Given that mingw-w64 is a real improvement about the way the old mingw32
>> compiler suite is managed, it is not a replacement for all the native Windows
>> development tools like make, autoconf, sed, awk,... which are provided by
>> mingw32/msys. So I think that user, who are not interested in
>> cross-compilation
>> only, might expect, that the old mingw32/msys tolls will be arranged around
>> latest and greatest gcc/Windows integration.
>>
>> Are there any efforts to arrange for such an integration in the near future?
>
> First, I created two new groups:
>
> Toolchains targeting Win64
> Toolchains targeting Win32
>
> In each of those groups is a single release, "Automated Builds"
>
> When gcc 4.4 is released, we will provide an actual release-tested
> complete gcc 4.4-based toolchain with a specific binutils version and
> a specific mingw-w64/32 version. They will go in this area.
Well, that's very fine ;-) I didn't recognize that "Automated Builds" is a
subgroup that will be complemented with a release subfolder.
> Now, as for a development environment, I have given thought to this.
> I would like to be able to provide a complete tarball that contains a
> working gnu-ish system. The way that mingw.org packages things is too
> confusing for my tastes. However, we have not yet begun to port
> things like msys, or to try compiling msys on/for Win64. I personally
> feel that the msys environment is sub-par, and if you need that much
> in the way of gnu tools, you're better off going with cygwin.
For my part I like the mingw-w64 approach of reducing things to the bare
minimum, which is a compiler plus binutils plus a development environment for
system libraries ver much. And I'm very happy with high-quality cross-compilers
for Linux, because I can now compile my software on a single build machine for
Windows an Linux ;-)
> So really, I guess we're open to suggestions for a definite Way Ahead
> plan. Perhaps you would like to officially join our project?
Since I'm happy with cross-compilation, I'm not the right one to drive the
development of a Windows-based toolchain. And I have a sever lack of time.
However, thanks for you invitation ;-)
I will try to keep on reporting bugs and providing for testcases as needed.
The main reason for opening this discussion is that I've got the implression,
that there are several small groups (mingw32,cygwin,mingw-w64,fedora mingw) who
are doing very similar work. IMHO it would be very benfitial for the users and
all driving forces behind these projects to get a clear overview of all projects
and to cooperate as much as possible.
E.g, it was a big surprise, that the mingw-w64 is doing such a tremendous work
on a complete x-compilation suite for Win{32,64} and the project is not even
mentioned on well-known websites in the field.
Best regards,
Wolfgang
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