full agree with John look gov its gov they have the power to do things, they have the money to do it, they have the law protecting them and if all of this its not enough they have people that can close your business if u dont cooperate so go to china or any other country that are not going to cooperate build your own devices, and software with strong crypto and no security problems and maybe u will have a good channel to check out your facebook or chat with grandma
> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:00:38 +0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: OpenBSD crypto and NSA/Bruce Schneier > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:49:46AM +0200, Martin Schr?der wrote: > > 2013/9/11 Marc Espie <[email protected]>: > > > Second, low hanging fruit. > > > > > > There's so much crappy software and hardware out there that you have to be > > > REALLY paranoid to think the NSA would target us. I mean, come on, there > > > > You think openssh isn't a valuable target? > > You think they need to target protocols? There are much easier ways of doing > things. Strong crypto works if you do all the management stuff. Most people > have no idea what's involved with that. Like Espie says there's plenty low > hanging fruit. If you're somebody they want to know about the methods they > use don't have anything to do with technology. > > > You think openbsd isn't used in commercial firewall/vpn appliances? > > You think that government doesn't cultivate "healthy" relationships with > "security" product vendors that makes whatever protocol or OS they claim to > run irrelevant? Do you really believe they only got google, yahoo, gmx, > msn/hotmail/aol/skype to open up their services but not router and vpn and > appliance vendors? Don't be so naive... any company that has an office in > the U.S. that wants to stay in business is going to bend over. How many > Lavabit stories did we read about where somebody had the integrity to say NO > and lose his ass? Exactly one. Guess what happened to the rest. > > You want security, run OpenBSD on a Chinese router or SBC or fab your own > chips and build your own hardware. And stay the hell off the net. > > > Think again. > > Your turn. > > /jl > > -- > ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Powered by Lemote Fuloong > against HTML e-mail X Loongson MIPS and OpenBSD > and proprietary / \ http://www.mutt.org > attachments / \ Code Blue or Go Home! > Encrypted email preferred PGP Key 2048R/DA65BC04
