Cloud poses a risk to privacy that you cannot and must not ignore in business. 
Ignore everyone that says otherwise. --- If you are a fabless company, for 
example, it is easy for a cloud sysadmin to exploit the latest vulnerabilities 
to read your data bank and sell your secrets. Email (yahoo, hotmail, gmail, you 
name it) is another example of cloud service: sysadmins do not need to exploit 
anything, because the contents are stored in plain text. --- If you need a 
cloud, you better make your own.

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On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:51, Kevin Chadwick <m8il1i...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We all know Bare metal is more secure (ignoring physical security) especially 
> with OpenBSD but if you need cost effective global resources on tap then I 
> believe you need cloud. We all know microsoft have a huge user base and 
> userland issues that are problematic however despite some recent Linux kernel 
> mitigation adoption attemps, Linux focus on kernel mitigations have been 
> lacklustre whilst microsoft have been comparatively active albeit enabling 
> and enforcing mitigations (even ASLR) for all applications by default has 
> been lacklustre. As cloud services are free from microsofts userland it is a 
> *hopeful* assumption that their security mitigation works applies to their 
> cloud too whereas I expect it is unlikely with Amazon and Google (AFAIK 
> Android fairs better than Linux for mitigations due to Google however??) 
> Perhaps OpenBSD mitigations still apply effectively to ec2 instances and 
> cloud services isolation is good enough to never undermine this, though I 
> find that hard to believe. Perhaps new processor developments will solve this 
> issue. None of this matters if you cannot get things done. I know there is 
> OpenBSD AWS client availability but I am unsure about Azure, Google etc. Any 
> advice and experience is welcome, Thankyou.

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