On 2/24/06, Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:08:26 -0700 Theo de Raadt
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Its actually not "only processor documentation" though.  Its docs
> > > for the new sun4v arch, specifically so people can port operating
> > > systems to it. Operating systems run on the hypervisor, not on the
> > > hardware.
> > >
> > > http://opensparc.sunsource.net/specs/Hypervisor-api-current-draft.pdf
> > >
> > > That includes "PCI I/O Services", so its definately more than just
> > > CPU info.  The Sun people are under the impression that the docs up
> > > there are everything that's needed to port an OS, so if there's
> > > something missing, tell us specifically what it is so we can get on
> > > Sun's case about it.
> >
> > If you know so much, write the code.
> >
> > Fact is, you don't.  You just believe their lies.
> >
> > Until we support UltrasparcIII, there is no point in supporting
> > another stupid Sun trap.
>
> If you don't want to support sun4v that's up to you, I don't care.  I
> was simply pointing out that it is full arch docs.  Claiming you can't
> support it because of missing docs gives the impression that you want
> to support it.  Just say "we don't like Sun" instead and you won't have
> to be bothered with people pointing you to the docs.
>

No Adam, The case is that from experience it is found impossible to
get all the necessarry docs to resonably support their hardware. I am
experiencing the frustration of not even getting replies from people
who got on stage in differrent meetings and spoke about "open source"
and "freeing documentation" and those who promised to help :-(

They are not fully Open as they claim to be, and ( at least I feel )
they really are not serious about opening up either. They just want to
misinform people make a feeling that they are for the "open" cause and
get some marketting benefit when they really are not! ( At least this
is what I feel from experience)

Kind Regards

Siju

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