but Theo your butt is magical :(
You do it no justice.

I have a microwave that is a bit glitchy .....

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On Wednesday, 21 October 2020 07:42, Theo de Raadt <dera...@openbsd.org> wrote:

> Stuart Longland stua...@longlandclan.id.au wrote:
> > On 21/10/20 9:55 am, Lee Nelson wrote:
> >
> > > > Alternatively use a single nic with vlans, and break out to separate
> > > > ports on a managed switch.
> > >
> > > Yes, that could work too, but this is one side of a pfsync/carp
> > > redundant firewall setup, so I want to keep it as simple as possible.
> >
> > Silly question, what hardware are the USB NICs plugging into?
> > USB trades off determinism for hot-pluggability, and it seems a
> > firewall, you absolutely do want an interface to appear in a specific
> > location. I'd be looking at something that plugs into the system
> > peripheral bus somehow (PCIe, PCI, ISA, … etc).
> Oh come on, you know the answer before you ask it.
> Using cheap hardware and expecting free software developers to
> pull magic out of their ass to make it solve unsolveable problems, and
> produce a result as too as state of the art expensive hardware --- or
> even cheaper hardware --- with DEDICATED PORTS -- it is madness. We
> can't do it. And we said so.
> And Lee gets it. But do the rest of the thread participants?
> I think it's fine for us as a community to humour the attempt for a bit,
> but THEN THE DISCUSSION MIGHT AS WELL END, as the consequences of the
> You get what you paid for. And we (OpenBSD) played no part in the
> decision or the consequences, hotplug is what it is.
> Can we end this discussion?

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