---- Original message ----
>Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:26:19 +0000
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Civati)  
>Subject: Re: ipsec vpn  
>To: [email protected]
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> starting with windows 2000, it is possible to use the built-in ipsec
>> support. it is a bit hidden and the configuration is painful, but it
>> actually works... you can configure it from the system management
>> console or by executing "system32\secpol.msc".
>
>Exactly, this is not simple, the "stupid wizard" you refer to is
>what average joe without in depth IP stack knowledge will want
>to use, and what some people who have to support client VPN  
>connections may want to use, because it will greatly reduce
>their support headache - providing server side works smoothly
>of course.
>

well, i've setup and gotten the "stupid wizard" version working and it is indeed
just that, stupid. AFAICR, there is no good L2TP daemon available.

i spent a substantial amount of time getting this to work and the config i ended
up with was not at all stable. in addition to having wasted a large amount of
time and energy on this, i ended up with a crazed german guy (nobody on list ;)
) yelling at me, claiming that openbsd was a "hobby show" OS and that i was 
idiot.

M$ is notoriously crappy when it comes to VPN software, IMO. openvpn is probably
your best shot if you're going cross-platform and the native ipsec client is ok,
but can be irritating to work with.

oh yeah, and search the archives, there quite a few posts on this topic.

>-Paul-

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