On Feb 18, 2008 1:23 AM, Todd Alan Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Its good to know that Ted did indeed try to scratch an itch of his and
> > laid down some ground work for future developers to take it beyond its
> > basic level.
> > But, it would have been *nicer* if Ted had put in some more of his
> > time and effort to complete what he started.
> > Also, we don't get to use his code for FREE, I suppose most of the
> > users *buy* CD sets.
>
> The two sentences above demonstrate that you are clueless and, more
> importantly, ungrateful. I cannot fathom how you can say these things.

The point is not about being ungrateful at all.
I love OpenBSD and that's why I do what I can without being told about it.
If it was just about buying CD sets, don't you think I would've
purchased myself a copy of Ubuntu instead of OpenBSD?

> > Agreed, but wouldn't it be better if there was some kind-a list of
> > features most requested by users who can't/don't code in C?
> > Then you core people could keep an eye on that list and think through
> > your problems keeping that detail in mind.
>
> This is offensive beyond reason.

Why is it offensive?? and especially beyond reason?

> > Nothing of that sort, I don't _expect_ developers to do what I ask
> > for, in fact I've got very few needs above what the system is offering
> > me right now, just that it hurts to see rest of the projects getting
> > some nice features which we too would've got had the developers
> > focused and *completed* what they started.
>
> Again, offensive beyond reason. Who the fsck are you to tell someone
> to complete something which he was doing of his own accord and
> offering for free to the world at large?

You are contorting facts.
Ted *was* doing great work, just that he left his stuff unfinished.
There are people wanting to do something more based on his stuff.

> > > Newer features are always added.  You keep saying that there are no new
> > > features ever added.  If that was the case how well do you think the os
> > > would work on new hardware?  Stop belittling the developers effort.
> >
> > I'm not belittling the developers, just that I really got irritated
> > when I lost 5 of the best developers (who were going to start work on
> > a new TCP/IP stack) I'd gathered because Ted lost interest in his own
> > work.
>
> This last sentence of yours, Mayuresh, makes me believe that you have
> more at stake personally than you are owning up to. What do you care,
> really? And if these 5 best developers that you speak of quit because
> Ted lost interest, then how good could they really be? You are not
> being straight with the community and you are exceedingly ungrateful
> to boot.

Yes indeed, I've got more at stake that what I'm owning up to.
What's at stake is my reputation with those 5 developers whom I
managed to snare for OpenBSD.
I'd told them a lot about how good and dedicated the OpenBSD
developers are only to be delivered a low punch by one of its foremost
developers.

And then add to that weirdos like you who go off at tangents.
Yeah, it makes my day (sic).

~Mayuresh

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